Michelle Cottle

What do they do, David?

How do you expect them to navigate this line?

And then, Jamel, you after.

Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I got to throw that in every time.

We've got to get it in there.

And that he just didn't care.

Yeah.

That surprised even me.

Okay, so I want to run by both of you something that our colleague Brett Stevens wrote this week about the Epstein mess.

He was saying that the only way any of this sticks politically is the smoking gun red letter evidence that Trump had a sexual relationship with one of Epstein's victims.

Otherwise, it doesn't do much but provide fodder for a few manic hours on MSNBC.

Democrats need to focus a lot less on Epstein and start worrying a lot more about winning over normal voters with better ideas about governance.

Agree?

Disagree?

I have thoughts.

Yeah, I mean, I think that the idea that you can just run against Trump indefinitely is obviously, you know, look at where we are.

I mean, that's what the party tried in 2024, and we wound back up in this pickle.

Although I do agree with the point, and I think it's hard to overstate how much voters respond to kind of that oog-level scandal.

I mean, you can talk about democratic norms and the approaching autocracy and...