Michelle Jawando

And our guests today are building a new organization, Humanity AI, which they describe as, quote, a broad coalition to build a more human future in which AI is shaped by and for people, and which will make $500 million in grants.

Michelle Jawando, a civil rights lawyer turned CEO of the Omidyar Network, a philanthropic organization, and John Palfrey, president of the MacArthur Foundation.

Welcome to Tech Stuff.

Great to be with you and with my friend, Michelle.

Michelle, I'll start with you.

You've had a fascinating career.

You came from a family of civil rights lawyers.

You're a civil rights lawyer yourself, and you work for Google.

Talk about the kind of driving red thread of your career.

Keep your friends close.

Interesting.

You've kind of

You understand technology companies from within, obviously, having worked at Google.

Omidyar is the family foundation, I guess, of Pierre and Pam Omidyar, which comes out of the Fortune PMA as the founder of eBay.

How do you navigate kind of being inside of the tech industry, but also being in this space where you're trying to create a new paradigm between society and technology, essentially?

It's like Napster, Craigslist, eBay, the golden era of the trust-based peer-to-peer internet.

John, you run the MacArthur Foundation, one of the most iconic, largest and oldest philanthropies, I think, in the United States.

And before that, you ran the Berkman Klein Center at Harvard for Internet and Society.

You published a book about digital natives and how different generations engage with technology.

What motivates you today as John and as the head of the MacArthur Foundation in terms of how you're thinking about the questions of how internet technology and society should be interacting?