Michelle Jawando

So I have to ask you both straight out, why do so many people mistrust and even, frankly, hate AI?

Is it too late to be a technology optimist?

I mean, people have been so burned out by social media and then all of the horrible cases of teen suicide and other associated negative consequences with

social media, and now AI has come along and you have, you know, the CEOs of many of these AI companies talking about how it's going to displace all labor and, you know, what is the marketing challenge to get people to believe that technology may be helpful in their lives?

I want to ask you about the work you did earlier in your career around digital natives and the digital divide, like people who grew up before the internet essentially and then had to adjust to its norms, felt like the kind of technological infrastructure of everyday life was not for them.

Now, it feels like most people in the world feel like the non-digital natives felt in the early 2000s, right?

Most people have this feeling, this is not for me.

What can you learn about that earlier time of technological adoption that applies today?

This is one bipartisan issue, seemingly, in the United States, which is kind of remarkable.

Humanity AI and the role of philanthropy?

Because it seems like we're in this moment where everyone is kind of wrestling over the paradigm, right?

You have like the Pope recently saying, quote, even today, colonialism assumes new forms.

It no longer dominates only bodies, but appropriates data.

Bernie Sanders has said, quote, the creative work of millions of people has essentially been stolen by some of the wealthiest people in the world and call for an American AI sovereign wealth fund, which interestingly, Trump is also talking about and as is Sam Altman.

So that's kind of a weird mind bender.

But, you know, you have government, you have religion, you have philanthropy, obviously capital and capital markets, private companies, these six or seven individuals you mentioned.

How will this shake out and how should it shake out?

I mean, $500 million on the one hand is a lot of money.

On the other hand, compared to a trillion dollars times three, not so much.

How do you get impact with so much power and money maybe pulling in opposite direction to you?