Michelle Martin

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40 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Aug 2026 last heard 8 Sep

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NPR's Book of the Day · To combat the 'Artificial State,' Jill Lepore says to look to science fiction · 8 Sep 2026 podcast

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Normally an historian like Jill Lapore writes about the past, in her case, best selling prize winning histories about politics and the law. matched

But Lapora sees a real and compelling danger in an inescapable phenomenon of the present, one which she says compelled her to write her latest book. matched

It's called The Rise and Fall of the Artificial State, and Jill Lapore is here to tell us what that is. matched

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Thank you so much for joining us. matched

So everybody's heard by this time about artificial intelligence, but what is the artificial state? matched

And you're saying that this has really already happened to some degree. matched

You say that their effects and this is your main focus here, their effects on political discourse, representative democracy, and constitutional government have been almost wholly malign. matched

You say that liberal democratic states make citizens, the artificial state makes trolls. matched

So tell us why it is that you say that. matched

And what about places around the world where there was never a particularly robust kind of local news ecosystem? matched

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The strong impression I get from your book is that you actually think this is intentional. matched

Is that accurate? matched

You say this is why I say that you suggest that this is intentional. matched

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If the executives in charge of the corporations building the infrastructure of the artificial state had once been blind to the social and political problems they were causing, they eventually came to see at least some of those harms. matched

This did not deter them. matched

And you quote, for example, Peter Thiel saying, I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible. matched

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