Michelle Segar

Excellent.

Let's talk about choice point for a second, because I think it's a really important idea.

How do you describe choice point?

Yeah, I often think of it as the moment when it's you and the choice that you kind of have to make.

There's so much stuff we can do structurally, I call it, upstream, right?

Knowing what I'm doing, when I'm doing it, how I'm doing it, planning for what happens if I don't do it well, having support for doing it.

But there comes a moment where it's like me and the choice.

Yeah.

And those moments are so critical because we can examine what happens within them specifically, right?

That's been my experience is I don't have to solve all the questions in my life to look at, well, what's happening in that moment if I go the direction that my best self didn't want to go?

Yeah.

I think that this idea of I will either do it perfectly or I won't do it at all is kind of what your research is getting to.

And I got a text from somebody who read the book and this is a personal trainer.

So someone who does personal training has worked on their own training, other people's training for a long, long time and is really good at what they do.

But they recognized that they were doing all or nothing thinking when it came to their own working out.

Either they were in a position to just go for it and do a great workout or they would just do nothing.

And so I think that this runs deep through so many of us.

Yeah, my little phrase that I used with coaching clients for years was a little bit of something is better than a lot of nothing.

So let's talk about what did your research find?

So we talked about who you studied.