Michelle Thaller

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StarTalk with Neil deGrasse Tyson · Running Out of Matter with Michelle Thaller · 21 Jul 2026 podcast

And, I mean, the scientists are going overseas.

With NASA and Goddard in general, it's been this real seesaw.

Is there going to be a huge cut?

Or, well, then Congress kind of restores the funding, so maybe not.

Oh, no, no, we're going to do the huge cut.

Oh, well, maybe not.

So, I mean, it's this time of terrible uncertainty.

And, I mean, aside from programs being on the canceling block and losing scientists, the other big thing I've been seeing that's been heartbreaking is

is, you know, the best young people, the best scientists.

So NASA was required to get rid of all of their, you know, all the people that were hired in the last three years, right?

All the people that were still on probation, you know, I mean, this may be the person you wanted to get the leader, you know, right out of graduate school, they're going to be the leader for the future.

If they were there less than three years, you can still legally fire them.

And so those people are gone.

And you have a lot of the best scientists now going, well, why should I work for NASA?

Why should I work for any kind of government agency?

Because they can just up and cancel my job at a moment's notice.

That's right.

I mean, everybody sort of has a trial period when you're hired as a government scientist, you know, equivalent to sort of like getting tenure at a university.

You know, you're there sort of for a while where it's legally easy to say, oh, well, that wasn't the right fit.

You know, maybe you should go somewhere else.

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