Mike DeFabo

It's not like he's in his 40s yet.

And even though he's been part of McVay's staff, does he know enough people in the NFL after just one year in the NFL to build out a strong staff?

He is a guy that I know within NFL circles, he's supposedly a hot name and people think he's going to be a great head coach one day.

My only question would be, is now the right time for Sheil House?

The other part is, am I going to be able to say his name without my yinzer coming out and it becoming Sheil Haas?

I thought that the double A, Joe, I'm going to make it, I honestly thought it was Sheil Haas because of the double A. And then I came to find out later that I believe it actually is house.

So I'm not sure I can even pronounce that without coming out as a yinzer, but at least I was mispronouncing it and sounding even more like- Can you imagine people calling-

clay kubiak did they get the wrong kubiak here mike give us the quick version on old clay well you can't interview clint kubiak because you're only allowed to virtually interview guys who are who got the first round by during the wild card week so they weren't able to virtually interview clint and now we'll see if he's in the conversation so if you're saying that just to give people some context so they know why clint isn't in discussion for clay uh

Let's just start here.

Sky bang reverse pass.

That was the trick play that they ran with Juwan Jennings throwing the touchdown pass to Christian McCaffrey, and that was a suggestion from Clay Kubiak.

So he is the offensive coordinator.

Obviously, Kyle Shanahan calls all the plays, but he's very much a part of game planning and also makes suggestions like that.

I think he's similar in some ways to Sheil House where he –

Like, he's a young offensive mind, but he also is not calling the plays.

He doesn't have the experience of calling the plays at this level.

But he's just maybe like two years advanced.

Sheilhaus is 35.

Clay Kubiak is 37.

So I think those are the pluses and minuses, Joe.