Mike Delaney

It automatically populates the iPhone. So you have folks actively working around your protections.

It automatically populates the iPhone. So you have folks actively working around your protections.

Yeah, especially on production floor. If you have biometrics and you're wearing goggles, it doesn't work. Or fingerprints, you're wearing gloves. There's cold and you can't get the heat. Yeah, or it's just cold. Or you're in some type of toxic environment where you can't do that. No, it's hard. This is why you have to work with people and process. And the tech has to work around that.

Yeah, especially on production floor. If you have biometrics and you're wearing goggles, it doesn't work. Or fingerprints, you're wearing gloves. There's cold and you can't get the heat. Yeah, or it's just cold. Or you're in some type of toxic environment where you can't do that. No, it's hard. This is why you have to work with people and process. And the tech has to work around that.

Back in the day, the legacy systems worked because that's all there was. And they stayed there because it was too expensive to upgrade the system or upgrade the software that runs on it. Some of the software upgrades, For when we were doing that whole process of the ERP upgrade, some of those were literally millions of dollars, Mike. It was stupid. What's the point?

Back in the day, the legacy systems worked because that's all there was. And they stayed there because it was too expensive to upgrade the system or upgrade the software that runs on it. Some of the software upgrades, For when we were doing that whole process of the ERP upgrade, some of those were literally millions of dollars, Mike. It was stupid. What's the point?

That was the whole budget we have for the project anyways. Like, why would we do this? But it was the most critical system that couldn't be taken offline. Or people have been attaching their legacy systems to their current modern systems, whether it's an IoT or anything like that. I don't think that you need to give everybody access to everything. That's ridiculous.

That was the whole budget we have for the project anyways. Like, why would we do this? But it was the most critical system that couldn't be taken offline. Or people have been attaching their legacy systems to their current modern systems, whether it's an IoT or anything like that. I don't think that you need to give everybody access to everything. That's ridiculous.

That's kind of the breakdown, too, of access control.

That's kind of the breakdown, too, of access control.

Every type of precaution possible down to the point of thinking like, you know, it's like you both have to have two keys to turn the nuclear war.

Every type of precaution possible down to the point of thinking like, you know, it's like you both have to have two keys to turn the nuclear war.

Exactly. Yes, exactly.

Exactly. Yes, exactly.

Can't turn both at the same time because they're too far apart.

Can't turn both at the same time because they're too far apart.

You know, and that's the important with aspects with like cyber physical, right? You still have to be able to turn the key, but you could push a button on your couch, right? That whole aspect, we now cross into physical security so much differently in the food industry. Down controlling peanut to non-peanut areas is an example to go back to that.

You know, and that's the important with aspects with like cyber physical, right? You still have to be able to turn the key, but you could push a button on your couch, right? That whole aspect, we now cross into physical security so much differently in the food industry. Down controlling peanut to non-peanut areas is an example to go back to that.

And I think that access control in that regard, especially it's part of our process. It should be part of what we do. It's hard. This is all hard stuff. And because you have to combat people, blame to them. You have to change the way you do your job that you've done for the last 40 years.

And I think that access control in that regard, especially it's part of our process. It should be part of what we do. It's hard. This is all hard stuff. And because you have to combat people, blame to them. You have to change the way you do your job that you've done for the last 40 years.