Mike Delaney

And then the EPA is just like, you know, grabbing his head going, what are you talking about? This is happening now. And that's what I said, like the law is going to always lack. Where it's going to be dealt with is in the trenches. It's when you're called in because there's a breach or you're called in, like how do we handle the legal side or the risk side of it?

And then the EPA is just like, you know, grabbing his head going, what are you talking about? This is happening now. And that's what I said, like the law is going to always lack. Where it's going to be dealt with is in the trenches. It's when you're called in because there's a breach or you're called in, like how do we handle the legal side or the risk side of it?

But the date is going to be much slower.

But the date is going to be much slower.

Yeah, the water situation is quite frustrating. I have some professional friends in the water sector, and they're just shaking their heads at this point. However, I do think that there'll be cybersecurity regulations in water within the next, I don't know, two to four years, depending on what happens with our political situation.

Yeah, the water situation is quite frustrating. I have some professional friends in the water sector, and they're just shaking their heads at this point. However, I do think that there'll be cybersecurity regulations in water within the next, I don't know, two to four years, depending on what happens with our political situation.

But if water goes, then the food industry and agriculture will go next, in theory. So I'm here for it. Let's bring it on. But I want it to be proper and well peer reviewed and well constructed. I don't want to just have a simulated exercise every three years. That's not good enough. That is certainly not good enough.

But if water goes, then the food industry and agriculture will go next, in theory. So I'm here for it. Let's bring it on. But I want it to be proper and well peer reviewed and well constructed. I don't want to just have a simulated exercise every three years. That's not good enough. That is certainly not good enough.

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Also, if you were planning on attending S4 in Tampa, it's the day before. Check out the website, and hopefully I'll see you there. I'm really glad you hit on the disinformation, misinformation kind of conversation, because this is something that is an active part of cyber warfare. I do have a tip for everybody.

Also, if you were planning on attending S4 in Tampa, it's the day before. Check out the website, and hopefully I'll see you there. I'm really glad you hit on the disinformation, misinformation kind of conversation, because this is something that is an active part of cyber warfare. I do have a tip for everybody.

I do know one of the co-founders of Disarm, which is a framework that helps deal with this. And it's great. If you get a chance to look at it, I'll put in the show notes.

I do know one of the co-founders of Disarm, which is a framework that helps deal with this. And it's great. If you get a chance to look at it, I'll put in the show notes.

But one of the things that was said recently to me about this was, if something you read on the internet causes you to have an emotional reaction, you need to distrust it immediately, whether it's positive or negative, because that means that it's more than likely you are being influenced in some regard. Mm-hmm. And we need to stop that.

But one of the things that was said recently to me about this was, if something you read on the internet causes you to have an emotional reaction, you need to distrust it immediately, whether it's positive or negative, because that means that it's more than likely you are being influenced in some regard. Mm-hmm. And we need to stop that.

But we have to start looking at things differently because we're in a different world now. We can't just go down to our neighbor and get a recipe for brownies. We just go on the Internet. Right. But should we trust that particular recipe? Maybe they put too many eggs in it. Then you have more of a cake like that's not going to work. Or maybe it does. Maybe that's what you want.

But we have to start looking at things differently because we're in a different world now. We can't just go down to our neighbor and get a recipe for brownies. We just go on the Internet. Right. But should we trust that particular recipe? Maybe they put too many eggs in it. Then you have more of a cake like that's not going to work. Or maybe it does. Maybe that's what you want.