Mike Holcomb

And then on the other end of the spectrum, which is most environments, you have a lot of small mom and pop shops, whether it's water, food and agriculture, mining, manufacturing, which is, of course, big here in the Carolinas. And they don't have... The resources to have somebody dedicated to OT cyber, let alone probably OT at all. I don't have an IT cyber person.

And then on the other end of the spectrum, which is most environments, you have a lot of small mom and pop shops, whether it's water, food and agriculture, mining, manufacturing, which is, of course, big here in the Carolinas. And they don't have... The resources to have somebody dedicated to OT cyber, let alone probably OT at all. I don't have an IT cyber person.

They might not even have an IT person at all either. Right. And so it's yeah, we see that in IT. But at the same time, like IT, if you go one IT environment to another, they're pretty cookie cutter for the most part. we don't have that in ICS OT, right?

They might not even have an IT person at all either. Right. And so it's yeah, we see that in IT. But at the same time, like IT, if you go one IT environment to another, they're pretty cookie cutter for the most part. we don't have that in ICS OT, right?

You go into a power plant versus a water treatment facility versus a mine versus a manufacturing plant versus, I mean, the list goes on and on and on. And it's, everything is always different. Definitely some similarities for sure in how we defend those environments, but the processes and how they operate, right? It's very different standing in

You go into a power plant versus a water treatment facility versus a mine versus a manufacturing plant versus, I mean, the list goes on and on and on. And it's, everything is always different. Definitely some similarities for sure in how we defend those environments, but the processes and how they operate, right? It's very different standing in

a petrochemical facility versus that facility that Kellogg's, you know, uses to, to make cereal. Yeah. So it's, and you just see this big separation between the, you know, the haves and the have nots. And in, in ICSOT, there's very few haves and just so many that, that just don't have the resources. of what they need.

a petrochemical facility versus that facility that Kellogg's, you know, uses to, to make cereal. Yeah. So it's, and you just see this big separation between the, you know, the haves and the have nots. And in, in ICSOT, there's very few haves and just so many that, that just don't have the resources. of what they need.

Chicken is huge. Yeah, definitely.

Chicken is huge. Yeah, definitely.

I think the nice thing about B-Sides is just everybody can come and just hang out for the day and just share and learn and just kick back, relax and take it all in. Yeah.

I think the nice thing about B-Sides is just everybody can come and just hang out for the day and just share and learn and just kick back, relax and take it all in. Yeah.

Yeah, there's other things that I've just taken for granted as well, so...

Yeah, there's other things that I've just taken for granted as well, so...

Well, I think that's everybody, right? I mean, I didn't even think about really cyber in like a power plant or a modder until, you know, Stuxnet, which was really where I started asking the questions like, well, wait a minute, how does this work in a power plant? Like, I have no clue, you know, and then, you know, that's how, you know, how I got started down that road.

Well, I think that's everybody, right? I mean, I didn't even think about really cyber in like a power plant or a modder until, you know, Stuxnet, which was really where I started asking the questions like, well, wait a minute, how does this work in a power plant? Like, I have no clue, you know, and then, you know, that's how, you know, how I got started down that road.

Thank you for doing that.

Thank you for doing that.

That was the idea. It was like, this is the class I, you know, the main class there is, is the getting started course. And that's, this is the class I wish I had when I was getting started. Cause you know, it's. Like, what are these terms and how they fit together? And no, it doesn't have to be scary.

That was the idea. It was like, this is the class I, you know, the main class there is, is the getting started course. And that's, this is the class I wish I had when I was getting started. Cause you know, it's. Like, what are these terms and how they fit together? And no, it doesn't have to be scary.