Mike Israetel

It's by no means clear they were using a fraction of the drugs. Some of that's true. Some of it's not true. Some of those guys were cranking it. Yeah. It does not take a rocket scientist to realize that when you take more of something and grow more muscle, you're going to do a lot of it. They were using fewer drugs on average, but with many exceptions.

I attribute that to the fact that as long as your blood pressure is not chronically elevated and as long as you don't have shitty genetics for longevity, longevity genetics are very robust and you can do a lot of shit to yourself and still make it quite far. Whereas other people take great care to do everything and they croak in their mid-50s because that's just the card they were dealt.

I attribute that to the fact that as long as your blood pressure is not chronically elevated and as long as you don't have shitty genetics for longevity, longevity genetics are very robust and you can do a lot of shit to yourself and still make it quite far. Whereas other people take great care to do everything and they croak in their mid-50s because that's just the card they were dealt.

Most pro wrestlers, bodybuilders, etc., most of them are older and they're still with us. Some pretty decent fraction of them have died, many because people just died in their mid-70s. But some of them, because of grotesque abuses, I mean, pro wrestling is mostly a cocaine problem, to be completely honest. The steroids are just a drop in the bucket at that point.

Most pro wrestlers, bodybuilders, etc., most of them are older and they're still with us. Some pretty decent fraction of them have died, many because people just died in their mid-70s. But some of them, because of grotesque abuses, I mean, pro wrestling is mostly a cocaine problem, to be completely honest. The steroids are just a drop in the bucket at that point.

But it's just not true to say that anabolic androgenic steroid use, even in extreme circumstances, just straight up drops you like a fly. It doesn't. Severe alcoholism? That'll do you in. Not a lot of 70- or 80-year-old severe alcoholics. Anabolic steroid abuse is just a category of risk lower than that. Now, it's gnarly, and it can get you. It's just not as likely.

But it's just not true to say that anabolic androgenic steroid use, even in extreme circumstances, just straight up drops you like a fly. It doesn't. Severe alcoholism? That'll do you in. Not a lot of 70- or 80-year-old severe alcoholics. Anabolic steroid abuse is just a category of risk lower than that. Now, it's gnarly, and it can get you. It's just not as likely.

So I assess, yeah, there's a 5- to 20-year lifespan reduction that I've engaged in.

So I assess, yeah, there's a 5- to 20-year lifespan reduction that I've engaged in.

So it really makes sense. I don't like the term abuse. It has a moral connotation. Intelligent, purposeful, high-dose androgen exposure, we'll call it that. Yeah, it's definitely taken years off my life, but I think it'll probably peg me into my 60s somewhere. And again, I was born in 1984, so I'll be 60 in 2044. If Every variable has lined up like the ones so far through all of measured history.

So it really makes sense. I don't like the term abuse. It has a moral connotation. Intelligent, purposeful, high-dose androgen exposure, we'll call it that. Yeah, it's definitely taken years off my life, but I think it'll probably peg me into my 60s somewhere. And again, I was born in 1984, so I'll be 60 in 2044. If Every variable has lined up like the ones so far through all of measured history.

2044 is not going to be a time where there are biological humans that die short of them choosing to do so.

2044 is not going to be a time where there are biological humans that die short of them choosing to do so.

There are three groups of people in bodybuilding today. People that have emphatically adopted the use of GLP-1s. Group two are people that either use or don't use, but don't say much about them. Either don't care, don't know, or they're using, but they're kind of shush about it.

There are three groups of people in bodybuilding today. People that have emphatically adopted the use of GLP-1s. Group two are people that either use or don't use, but don't say much about them. Either don't care, don't know, or they're using, but they're kind of shush about it.

And then there's another group that is just absolutely viciously opposed to them for reasons that are almost always wildly irrational, but moralistically understandable.

And then there's another group that is just absolutely viciously opposed to them for reasons that are almost always wildly irrational, but moralistically understandable.

You have to suffer through the hunger to earn your right to call yourself a competitive bodybuilder. What do you think about that? I could probably steal manna.

You have to suffer through the hunger to earn your right to call yourself a competitive bodybuilder. What do you think about that? I could probably steal manna.

Yes, I'm in that camp as well. There are at least two things those folks aren't considering. Thing number one is that if you can achieve a certain level of body fat through caloric restriction without GLP-1s, When you use any given dose of GLP-1s to reduce your hunger, you get two things out of that. One is now you can push to even more exotically lean levels, which you should be.