Mike Pesca

Right.

And when I say outside event, I, you know, to me, it's, it's outside even the broad brushes of what you might be predicting, right.

It's just something, you know, out of the ordinary, the way the pandemic hit that it was not on anybody's bingo card.

And it, it ended up exposing Trump's inability to be a leader in a moment of crisis.

And that, you know,

Um, it's, it is why I think he, he, he lost that, that first reelection.

So I think when you look at sort of the big picture here, he really, he had an opportunity, he had an opportunity to solidify his, um, imprint on the conservative movement.

He had a chance to, to sort of keep Democrats sort of fraying he could have

done some things that could have potentially splintered the Democratic coalition.

A good leader would have actually looked for Democrats.

He had very small majorities.

He had to try to find some Democratic allies more as an attempt to try to splinter the party.

You sort of break people off to try to work with them.

And he chose not to do any of that, right?

Instead, he came in a lot of retribution.

It's clear.

That was much more front and center for him.

The pardons, the naming everything after himself, the bulldozing.

I mean, in that sense, he's made it really hard.

He's made it really hard to look at this as anything other than through the prism of his own narcissism.