Mike Ritland

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The Shawn Ryan Show · #164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare · 29 Jan 2025 podcast

I mean, there are ways. Yeah. You got to know what you're looking for, basically. Do you worry about that stuff at all? I mean, it depends. Like, me personally, no. I know the types of targets that this is destined for. You know, I'm not one of those targets.

Well, I mean, the Israeli Patriots situation. Great example of, like, do I worry about my pager exploding? Like, I'm not Hezbollah, so no, I'm not worried. Just for example, just to put a very pointed, like, answer to a very current topic, for instance, right? Now, there are certainly lots of gray area.

We've seen lots of gray area where it's like, wait, you're doing surveillance on US citizens and like, that generally isn't happening like with hardware implants and stuff like that. That's access to telcos, internet providers, and yeah, that's... I operate very openly, so it's not, you know, I'm...

I'm a little less concerned, but it's more of a political and philosophical, like, you know, when nobody's got privacy, it changes society in ways that aren't very good. That's where I'm more worried.

Um... Well, hardware implants. Let's go with hardware. I don't know how often hardware implants would be used. That tends to be super targeted. And super targeted also generally, I would assume, I would hope, means significant more legislative, not legislative, legal oversight where you're getting the warrants and all these other things.

Whereas these really wide net things, which hardware is much harder to make wide net. Wide nets where you can collect all the things because you've got access to...

uh telco phone uh internet type providers and you're just slurping everything up yeah everybody would then be pulled into that that's the kind of stuff that snowden showed right that's a different story that's that's uh everybody's get pulled into that one way or the other uh type problems that occur

So do you have to worry about people breaking into your network and just causing problems in your life? That's a complicated topic. Like it's more privacy invasion at that point. And it's like, yeah, what are we worrying about? Are we worrying about our personal safety, our personal freedoms? Yeah.

society as a whole and the health of it if they you know and a free press like it's yeah it's it's a very large complicated topic do you think china's putting this stuff into the electronics that we're buying from them um i mean not like in the sense of like consumer levels i mean it depends right like could it be accessed from that far away

If they wanted to, anyone, if anybody wanted to do that, yes. But the thing is doing it to just like off the shelf consumer stuff is a lot harder to do in terms of hardware implants. If you wanted to do it that way, that's where we get more into the software level, like software backdoors, which we've seen in things like cryptography, right?

You know, it's posited that a lot of cryptography backdoors were put in by cooperation with like the NSA, for example. I'm a little rusty on this stuff, but basically that becomes very valuable when you're slurping up all the internet data. And a lot of that's encrypted. But if you know how to quickly break the encryption, well, now you can see the contents. And that's where that comes in.

And yeah, it's...

Depends, I would say. Well, God, I have forgotten. I think China makes a lot of our power transceivers and stuff. Make a ton of it. Honestly, from what I've seen and the people I talk to that work in all this stuff, I don't think physical implants are quite needed. Things are just not secure remotely, like externally. Literally, I think it was yesterday, maybe. I don't know.

It's something that news that has come over the last few weeks where our own government is saying everyone, I think it was actually to their own government employees to use Signal. use iMessage, use encrypted chat. Do not use text messages because China has, they're just in all of the telco systems right now, which means they would be able to read the text messages, right?

They didn't need hardware implants that I know of to do this. Maybe they did that to get in. But now they're in that system, right? I mean, I've helped in environments that a foreign adversary had gotten into, and it took a bunch of time to evict them and find where they are. That was done all remotely, right? A lot of this stuff doesn't require the James Bond-type hardware to get in. Interesting.

Yeah, that's a tricky topic. Interesting.

I mean, there's so many things to worry about, though. Like, yes, kind of. Once you've seen enough horror shows, though, you're like, oh, wow, everything's just broken. Society as a whole, it's amazing that it operates. Just the levels of trust. Like, one person is all it takes. Enough well-placed, like, damage.

And whether it's security or just electrical power grids, all these things, all of it can just tip over, right? With just enough of a push. And, like, everything's that way. It's not just security. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I kind of just lump it all together of like, this is a really good experiment for humanity. I mean, humans have been, what, on this planet for some say 300,000 years, right?

Like, we're living in the best time. I don't think there's a single person alive today who would be like, yeah, bring me back at random more than 100 years ago. Sign me up. Like, that's not a good... The odds are not good, right? Like, we're the most comfortable we've been, most well-off, on average, across the earth in this last hundred years. And, you know, it's a good experiment.

And things are volatile. I mean, that's kind of the consequence of freedom, too, right? Like, it's... The people got to maintain it.

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