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Mikey Shulman

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
471 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

That just shows you that there is a lot of friction. And if there were two worlds of music, I think that would A, be friction for the average consumer, but I actually hope it's much more than just consumption. There shouldn't be like a set of fun experiences around making and sharing music.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And that is somehow disjoint from all of the other music that you listen to at a party while you work out, while you're in your car commuting, whatever it is. Like together, these things are much bigger than if you just separate them.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And that is somehow disjoint from all of the other music that you listen to at a party while you work out, while you're in your car commuting, whatever it is. Like together, these things are much bigger than if you just separate them.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And that is somehow disjoint from all of the other music that you listen to at a party while you work out, while you're in your car commuting, whatever it is. Like together, these things are much bigger than if you just separate them.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Or both or neither. I think there's lots of different worlds that are possible here. Time will tell which of these things is correct. How do you think artists feel about Suno? I will tell you that- They love it. Well, actually, yes. So it's a biased sample of artists that I speak to, but the vast, vast majority of artists that I speak to behind closed doors admit that they use and love Suno.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Or both or neither. I think there's lots of different worlds that are possible here. Time will tell which of these things is correct. How do you think artists feel about Suno? I will tell you that- They love it. Well, actually, yes. So it's a biased sample of artists that I speak to, but the vast, vast majority of artists that I speak to behind closed doors admit that they use and love Suno.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Or both or neither. I think there's lots of different worlds that are possible here. Time will tell which of these things is correct. How do you think artists feel about Suno? I will tell you that- They love it. Well, actually, yes. So it's a biased sample of artists that I speak to, but the vast, vast majority of artists that I speak to behind closed doors admit that they use and love Suno.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

The answer is yes. And I would love to do that. Depending on what her contracts look like, she might not even be allowed to do that, which would be kind of crazy. Why would you not be able to? She doesn't own all of her music. But she owns her name and likeness. I would love to get to a world where she can have models that make Ariana Grande songs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

The answer is yes. And I would love to do that. Depending on what her contracts look like, she might not even be allowed to do that, which would be kind of crazy. Why would you not be able to? She doesn't own all of her music. But she owns her name and likeness. I would love to get to a world where she can have models that make Ariana Grande songs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

The answer is yes. And I would love to do that. Depending on what her contracts look like, she might not even be allowed to do that, which would be kind of crazy. Why would you not be able to? She doesn't own all of her music. But she owns her name and likeness. I would love to get to a world where she can have models that make Ariana Grande songs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

You know, you've noticed in our product, you can't make Ariana Grande songs. If you put her name in, we're going to wave our finger at you and you're going to say, like, that's not what the future of music is. That's not original music. Suno is for original music. It's not for impersonating people. But if she uses it, it's not impersonating.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

You know, you've noticed in our product, you can't make Ariana Grande songs. If you put her name in, we're going to wave our finger at you and you're going to say, like, that's not what the future of music is. That's not original music. Suno is for original music. It's not for impersonating people. But if she uses it, it's not impersonating.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

You know, you've noticed in our product, you can't make Ariana Grande songs. If you put her name in, we're going to wave our finger at you and you're going to say, like, that's not what the future of music is. That's not original music. Suno is for original music. It's not for impersonating people. But if she uses it, it's not impersonating.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

This is an immensely powerful tool for her to make music, for people writing songs for her to hear it how she would do it. Or maybe even she's forward leaning enough to want to give this over to her super fans. And her super fans can make what I can only describe as the equivalent of fan fiction if she wants that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

This is an immensely powerful tool for her to make music, for people writing songs for her to hear it how she would do it. Or maybe even she's forward leaning enough to want to give this over to her super fans. And her super fans can make what I can only describe as the equivalent of fan fiction if she wants that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

This is an immensely powerful tool for her to make music, for people writing songs for her to hear it how she would do it. Or maybe even she's forward leaning enough to want to give this over to her super fans. And her super fans can make what I can only describe as the equivalent of fan fiction if she wants that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And that would be an immensely engaging activity, way more valuable and way more engaging than like having an AMA with her if you're a huge fan.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And that would be an immensely engaging activity, way more valuable and way more engaging than like having an AMA with her if you're a huge fan.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And that would be an immensely engaging activity, way more valuable and way more engaging than like having an AMA with her if you're a huge fan.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Right now you can't do that. I would love to see a future where you can with him opting in to that as an example. How does that completely change what you can do? The thing that people don't realize is that right now we've made something where people enjoy making music so much they are paying to create the music. This has nothing to do with listening.