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Mikey Shulman

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
471 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Right now you can't do that. I would love to see a future where you can with him opting in to that as an example. How does that completely change what you can do? The thing that people don't realize is that right now we've made something where people enjoy making music so much they are paying to create the music. This has nothing to do with listening.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Right now you can't do that. I would love to see a future where you can with him opting in to that as an example. How does that completely change what you can do? The thing that people don't realize is that right now we've made something where people enjoy making music so much they are paying to create the music. This has nothing to do with listening.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think that a big part of the future of music is rethinking a lot of these business models where right now it's set up in this capped stream share. The stream share is a certain size and everybody is kind of fighting over it and artists don't make a ton of money from that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think that a big part of the future of music is rethinking a lot of these business models where right now it's set up in this capped stream share. The stream share is a certain size and everybody is kind of fighting over it and artists don't make a ton of money from that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think that a big part of the future of music is rethinking a lot of these business models where right now it's set up in this capped stream share. The stream share is a certain size and everybody is kind of fighting over it and artists don't make a ton of money from that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And there are hopefully new business models that you can figure out that are much more tied to the enjoyment that people get, that are way more tied to artists if people want to actually be interacting with the artists themselves. What are some of those business models then? Imagine you found some creator that you really love, teenager in Saskatchewan, and you just love this guy's music.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And there are hopefully new business models that you can figure out that are much more tied to the enjoyment that people get, that are way more tied to artists if people want to actually be interacting with the artists themselves. What are some of those business models then? Imagine you found some creator that you really love, teenager in Saskatchewan, and you just love this guy's music.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And there are hopefully new business models that you can figure out that are much more tied to the enjoyment that people get, that are way more tied to artists if people want to actually be interacting with the artists themselves. What are some of those business models then? Imagine you found some creator that you really love, teenager in Saskatchewan, and you just love this guy's music.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

You could have a Patreon thing where you can pay him directly. You could have your own kind of fork of his model if he were cool with that and you were cool with that and you're paying him for that. And now you're making songs that are, you know, your riffs on what he does. Let me give you an example. We had this remix contest with Timbaland and a tremendous number of people submitted remix songs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

You could have a Patreon thing where you can pay him directly. You could have your own kind of fork of his model if he were cool with that and you were cool with that and you're paying him for that. And now you're making songs that are, you know, your riffs on what he does. Let me give you an example. We had this remix contest with Timbaland and a tremendous number of people submitted remix songs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

You could have a Patreon thing where you can pay him directly. You could have your own kind of fork of his model if he were cool with that and you were cool with that and you're paying him for that. And now you're making songs that are, you know, your riffs on what he does. Let me give you an example. We had this remix contest with Timbaland and a tremendous number of people submitted remix songs.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And to me... Getting to remix the music of your musical idol is like the ultimate form of engagement with them. It is so much cooler than like, honestly, even meeting them backstage after a concert. The old model of stream share does not properly account for an interaction like that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And to me... Getting to remix the music of your musical idol is like the ultimate form of engagement with them. It is so much cooler than like, honestly, even meeting them backstage after a concert. The old model of stream share does not properly account for an interaction like that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And to me... Getting to remix the music of your musical idol is like the ultimate form of engagement with them. It is so much cooler than like, honestly, even meeting them backstage after a concert. The old model of stream share does not properly account for an interaction like that.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

If you talk to anyone in the business, they will tell you like he is the cutting edge of technology and music and has always been. He was a fan of the product actually before we met him, which is amazing. And I think you can't fake this stuff. And so it's really an amazing partnership for a variety of reasons. One is we learned a ton working with him. We do a lot of product development with him.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

If you talk to anyone in the business, they will tell you like he is the cutting edge of technology and music and has always been. He was a fan of the product actually before we met him, which is amazing. And I think you can't fake this stuff. And so it's really an amazing partnership for a variety of reasons. One is we learned a ton working with him. We do a lot of product development with him.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

If you talk to anyone in the business, they will tell you like he is the cutting edge of technology and music and has always been. He was a fan of the product actually before we met him, which is amazing. And I think you can't fake this stuff. And so it's really an amazing partnership for a variety of reasons. One is we learned a ton working with him. We do a lot of product development with him.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

So he has access to stuff before anyone else does. The next thing is that obviously this provides some amount of recognition for us. Do you think it legitimizes the traditional music industry? Yes, I do. But I think that the real thing that this does is that you have someone who has made it, who does not need to do this publicly saying, yeah, I use Suno and it's awesome.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

So he has access to stuff before anyone else does. The next thing is that obviously this provides some amount of recognition for us. Do you think it legitimizes the traditional music industry? Yes, I do. But I think that the real thing that this does is that you have someone who has made it, who does not need to do this publicly saying, yeah, I use Suno and it's awesome.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

So he has access to stuff before anyone else does. The next thing is that obviously this provides some amount of recognition for us. Do you think it legitimizes the traditional music industry? Yes, I do. But I think that the real thing that this does is that you have someone who has made it, who does not need to do this publicly saying, yeah, I use Suno and it's awesome.