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Mikey Shulman

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471 total appearances

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Yeah, it's a transformer model. We've not been shy about that. Our competitive edge here has not been to innovate on the architecture and has been to innovate on the audio representation. So if you like, you can think it's not obvious how to tokenize audio.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Yeah, it's a transformer model. We've not been shy about that. Our competitive edge here has not been to innovate on the architecture and has been to innovate on the audio representation. So if you like, you can think it's not obvious how to tokenize audio.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

But if you spend night and day doing that and basically take everything from the open source text community for how to make and scale models, that's a pretty good recipe.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

But if you spend night and day doing that and basically take everything from the open source text community for how to make and scale models, that's a pretty good recipe.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

But if you spend night and day doing that and basically take everything from the open source text community for how to make and scale models, that's a pretty good recipe.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think it reduces the average value of any given piece of content, but I think it greatly increases the value of music to society or to any given person. I think that's what we want, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think it reduces the average value of any given piece of content, but I think it greatly increases the value of music to society or to any given person. I think that's what we want, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think it reduces the average value of any given piece of content, but I think it greatly increases the value of music to society or to any given person. I think that's what we want, right?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Like we want a bigger, more vibrant music industry that has way more participants in it, that has way more engagement and not this more precious thing where very few people have access to actually doing it, to making it. And the range of experiences that the average person has is kind of limited and therefore not valuable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Like we want a bigger, more vibrant music industry that has way more participants in it, that has way more engagement and not this more precious thing where very few people have access to actually doing it, to making it. And the range of experiences that the average person has is kind of limited and therefore not valuable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

Like we want a bigger, more vibrant music industry that has way more participants in it, that has way more engagement and not this more precious thing where very few people have access to actually doing it, to making it. And the range of experiences that the average person has is kind of limited and therefore not valuable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think the promises are are are incredible. You know, there's a big part of me that wishes that we knew more things to do with these quantum computers. But I just see a rush of commercial dollars into the space where far more research was necessary. And people are so short sighted, including, if I may, in your business, VCs are so short sighted, you expect returns over a certain time horizon.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think the promises are are are incredible. You know, there's a big part of me that wishes that we knew more things to do with these quantum computers. But I just see a rush of commercial dollars into the space where far more research was necessary. And people are so short sighted, including, if I may, in your business, VCs are so short sighted, you expect returns over a certain time horizon.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

I think the promises are are are incredible. You know, there's a big part of me that wishes that we knew more things to do with these quantum computers. But I just see a rush of commercial dollars into the space where far more research was necessary. And people are so short sighted, including, if I may, in your business, VCs are so short sighted, you expect returns over a certain time horizon.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And at least from my vantage point, the the challenges are not they're still physics challenges. There's still like basic research challenges that have to happen here. And so it's not something where you can kind of just turn the crank and make companies out of it. And to my knowledge, all of the companies that sprang up around this are not doing all that well.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And at least from my vantage point, the the challenges are not they're still physics challenges. There's still like basic research challenges that have to happen here. And so it's not something where you can kind of just turn the crank and make companies out of it. And to my knowledge, all of the companies that sprang up around this are not doing all that well.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And at least from my vantage point, the the challenges are not they're still physics challenges. There's still like basic research challenges that have to happen here. And so it's not something where you can kind of just turn the crank and make companies out of it. And to my knowledge, all of the companies that sprang up around this are not doing all that well.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And to my knowledge, the best stuff that happens happens in this weird public-private partnership type of situation.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And to my knowledge, the best stuff that happens happens in this weird public-private partnership type of situation.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: The Future of Foundation Models | The Future of AI Consumer Apps and Why OpenAI Did a Disservice to Them | The Future of Music: Spotify vs YouTube & Spotify vs TikTok: What Happens with Mikey Shulman @ Suno

And to my knowledge, the best stuff that happens happens in this weird public-private partnership type of situation.