Mikey Shulman

I have to be very careful what I say and don't say about a lawsuit. So yeah, we know that there are some copyrighted works in our training data. That's not illegal. It's stock standard for the industry. It's what every AI company does. In some sense, the lawsuit wasn't totally shocking. Most AI companies get sued. Everybody in music gets sued. It's a

bit depressing in some way because I think there is a much bigger and brighter future of music to build together with the existing industry instead of kind of fighting it out and having the potential for this thing to just be net smaller. I'll say something ill of lawyers for a minute, but we were talking about economists and there's this famous econ paper from like the 80s

bit depressing in some way because I think there is a much bigger and brighter future of music to build together with the existing industry instead of kind of fighting it out and having the potential for this thing to just be net smaller. I'll say something ill of lawyers for a minute, but we were talking about economists and there's this famous econ paper from like the 80s

bit depressing in some way because I think there is a much bigger and brighter future of music to build together with the existing industry instead of kind of fighting it out and having the potential for this thing to just be net smaller. I'll say something ill of lawyers for a minute, but we were talking about economists and there's this famous econ paper from like the 80s

looking at why do some countries grow and some countries don't grow. And this guy, Andre Schleifer, one of the conclusions is basically like they're looking at the ratio of like how many engineers are in a country and how many lawyers are in a country. The conclusion is like more engineers equals more growth, more lawyers equals less growth. And that's like a little bit reductive.

looking at why do some countries grow and some countries don't grow. And this guy, Andre Schleifer, one of the conclusions is basically like they're looking at the ratio of like how many engineers are in a country and how many lawyers are in a country. The conclusion is like more engineers equals more growth, more lawyers equals less growth. And that's like a little bit reductive.

looking at why do some countries grow and some countries don't grow. And this guy, Andre Schleifer, one of the conclusions is basically like they're looking at the ratio of like how many engineers are in a country and how many lawyers are in a country. The conclusion is like more engineers equals more growth, more lawyers equals less growth. And that's like a little bit reductive.

But I think that instead of fighting it out, if we were talking, which we were before this lawsuit happened, at least to some of the players in that lawsuit, if we were working together toward building a bigger future of music, everybody would just be happier. And the music business is one that has such... an embedded fixed pie mentality.

But I think that instead of fighting it out, if we were talking, which we were before this lawsuit happened, at least to some of the players in that lawsuit, if we were working together toward building a bigger future of music, everybody would just be happier. And the music business is one that has such... an embedded fixed pie mentality.

But I think that instead of fighting it out, if we were talking, which we were before this lawsuit happened, at least to some of the players in that lawsuit, if we were working together toward building a bigger future of music, everybody would just be happier. And the music business is one that has such... an embedded fixed pie mentality.

There's a fixed pie of money out there and we are all just trying to divide it unfairly for ourselves. And if we were focused on growing that pie, I think like just everything gets easier.

There's a fixed pie of money out there and we are all just trying to divide it unfairly for ourselves. And if we were focused on growing that pie, I think like just everything gets easier.

There's a fixed pie of money out there and we are all just trying to divide it unfairly for ourselves. And if we were focused on growing that pie, I think like just everything gets easier.

I don't know. There's like the traditional Silicon Valley mentality of like, screw you existing industry. I will disrupt you. There's nothing that you can do about it. And then there's like the existing incumbent approach, which is like, I will sue you, you know, until you go away. And like, both of these are obviously wrong.

I don't know. There's like the traditional Silicon Valley mentality of like, screw you existing industry. I will disrupt you. There's nothing that you can do about it. And then there's like the existing incumbent approach, which is like, I will sue you, you know, until you go away. And like, both of these are obviously wrong.

I don't know. There's like the traditional Silicon Valley mentality of like, screw you existing industry. I will disrupt you. There's nothing that you can do about it. And then there's like the existing incumbent approach, which is like, I will sue you, you know, until you go away. And like, both of these are obviously wrong.

People will ding us for building a tech company in Cambridge, Massachusetts. But like, it's actually nice not to have that embedded Silicon Valley mentality of like, screw you existing industry, I'm going to disrupt you and there's nothing you can do about it.

People will ding us for building a tech company in Cambridge, Massachusetts. But like, it's actually nice not to have that embedded Silicon Valley mentality of like, screw you existing industry, I'm going to disrupt you and there's nothing you can do about it.

People will ding us for building a tech company in Cambridge, Massachusetts. But like, it's actually nice not to have that embedded Silicon Valley mentality of like, screw you existing industry, I'm going to disrupt you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Every single person at Suno has like an incredible, deep love and respect for music, which culturally is amazing, but also just keeps people out of that mentality and much more focused on building a bigger, brighter future, hopefully with the incumbents in the industry. And by the way, there are plenty of incumbents in the industry who do work with us.