Mo Gawdat

Okay.

Tell me how far has PowerPoint advanced since 2023?

They added Copilot.

Anything else?

For sure.

What I'm trying to say is that from a licensing point of view, just licensing of software within government alone, how much money is being repatriated?

I remember.

I'm asking a UK entrepreneur to wake up tomorrow and say, all right, you know what, between coffee and my cookie, I'm going to build a PowerPoint and go sell it.

Yeah, so I'm with you, right, that this actually might be the big corporate thing, okay?

And I'm with you that, of course, the infrastructure here of building a startup is way more complex than it is in other places where startups succeed, okay?

I'm saying if we continue on that trajectory, whether in the UK or in Germany or in, you know, Zanzibar, welcome to Africa.

All of us, everyone, but the two competitors, China and America, is going to be third world.

So when you talk about job losses for individuals, that's one side, okay?

But nation...

positioning losses which i think europe has noticed recently is about to happen everywhere and why because you're saying hey you know what maybe we can't do it why can china do it why can korea do it is

not because they have different natural resources or not because they are, you know, in a place where it's warmer.

It's because their regulations, their ambitions are to empower something different than debating about, you know, railway lines.

I say that the arms race of AI was won a long time ago.

No, no, no, no.

That's not only that.