Moira Penza
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110 appearances
2 recordings
2 series
first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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And what Dr. Hughes does is not talking about the specifics of the case at all can explain why this sort of victim behavior and the psychology of it and why we can see that and put it into terms that are understandable for a jury. And then the jury can apply what they've heard from Dr. Hughes to what they've heard the victim say. And then it may be a lot more understandable.
So, for example, Dr. Hughes talks about the fact that there's often love in these long-term relationships where there's abuse. But there's these trauma bonds that keep people coming back, even in situations where a lay person who, you know, thankfully has not experienced this sort of behavior thinks, why didn't she just leave? The door was open. Yeah. She had family. She could have gotten help.
And Dr. Cuse can explain how difficult that can be in a situation where you've been abused repeatedly, especially where you have an individual who is extremely famous, who has enormous power over your career. And that can be really helpful for the jury in answering some questions that they might have.
I don't think that consent is a real challenge in this case because of the level of physical violence that you have and because of the coercive elements, the threats of blackmail. It's something that is a challenge for the government, but certainly something that can be overcome. And I think it's just something for the government to address head on. But this isn't a he said, she said case.
It's really going to come down to the legal standard. I think the government is going to be able to show how... Regardless of what Ms. Ventura may have said on any occasion or what the text messages say, that the elements of sex trafficking are met, that's what we're going to hear the government say about these alleged crimes.
I think that's one of the most challenging aspects of being a prosecutor because you are really asking these alleged victims to relive some of the most traumatizing events of their life. And What I like to do is remind our victims back when I was a prosecutor that this individual doesn't have power over you anymore.
It's very different to see them in a courtroom when they've been charged with a crime and you're in the witness stand versus when you may have last seen them and all they are is this super high-powered individual. And then always reminding people that they are not here to be an advocate for the government. They're just there to tell the truth.
I also like to remind victims that there's a lot of corroboration that we can't tell them about. So there's going to be a lot of other evidence that helps support what they're saying. And we can't tell them the specifics of that, but we can tell them that they're not
out there alone and then in terms of cross-examination just again tell victims to tell the truth to answer questions posed by the defense attorney the same way they're answering questions by the prosecutor and you know we talk about what to expect we would talk about you're going to see text messages saying that you loved him and just try and take away as much of the surprise element as you can
No problem. Thanks for having me.
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