Molly Graham

That's the joy and the torture.

The thing that I think is so cool about the way that you think about risk and what you've done is I do actually – I think people think of themselves as either good or bad at this.

Like I am not a risk taker or I am a risk taker and you –

built a practice that said I can get better at this, which is like such a powerful thing.

And the other thing is like you're naming something I really believe, which is that it never goes away.

Like you might get better at one type of thing or it might get easier maybe to like step into that discomfort, but it's not like you can ever live a life without discomfort.

the opportunity for risk.

So actually just what you get better at is like recognizing, oh, I'm feeling that way again.

And it's like, I gotta, I gotta get cool with the discomfort again.

You know?

One of the examples you gave earlier of the daily risks was saying something that was uncomfortable, like pushing yourself to say the unsaid thing or the feedback that would be so easy to just not say or the conversation that you can avoid having for months and it just grows and grows.

So what have you learned from turning that into a practice, turning that into a craft?

What have you learned about what you need to do in those situations when you disagree with someone or when you need to give someone feedback that's a little scary?

Yeah.

It's so interesting because I think you use the word grounded.

And what I hear is like, you need to be grounded in a positive vision of sort of like the future and what you want that has nothing to do with being right and has nothing to do with like, it is about the outcome because you're trying to create like a more positive relationship, but it's not about like the outcome you want necessarily or like, yeah, to your point, like your ego.

It's about the fundamental thing underneath it that you're trying to accomplish.

Yeah.

Okay.

You've gotten really good at pushing yourself to take risks.