Monique LaBorde
Appearances
Betrayal: Season 4
Betrayal Weekly: BONUS EP 1 - Behind the Scenes Q&A
Who was the storyteller in our first two episodes. She had read out loud some of the captions her husband or ex-husband wrote online under photos of her. And when she heard it back out loud in her own voice, she said... I don't want that out there. Yeah. And so we revised it so that you read it in your narration and she was okay with that. It wasn't that she didn't want it to be known.
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It's that hearing her own voice say it was so uncomfortable for her. And that was a small fix that was easy for us to do.
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Yeah. And this is something that I don't see in other podcasts. I've never worked on a show that has allowed the storyteller to hear the episode before it goes out. I think there's this idea that if you do that, then the person's not going to like it. They're going to have a bunch of changes. And I have to say, in the 32 episodes we made, that maybe only happened once or twice.
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And then we worked through it. Right. And so it actually was more rewarding than it was difficult. Because at the end of the day, I can know the day that it goes out that the person whose story this is, is happy with the story. Yeah. Right.
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It's actually pretty easy to give people a chance to review the content and just at the very least to familiarize themselves with it before it goes out and other people start reaching out to them on strangers on the internet hear it because it sounds so different when it's the episodes all produced than what the raw interview sounded like. Yeah. Let's take a quick break.
Betrayal: Season 4
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And then when we come back, I have a few more of our most commonly asked listener questions.
Betrayal: Season 4
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All right, we're back. And I have a few more of the most commonly asked questions we get. And then a little later on, we are going to get to questions about specific episodes.
Betrayal: Season 4
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All right, Dre, another frequently asked question we have is how do you decide which episodes are two parts and which are only one part? This is such a good question.
Betrayal: Season 4
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Yeah, a lot of times it's dictated by how much good tape we have. Like with Hannah, a lot of good tape. And it's hard to pare that down.
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And sometimes you just don't want to sacrifice it. And that's why. And I think that's a big part of what our audience likes about this show is that we're not just focusing on the true crime and this happened and that happened and the body buried in the basement and him, you know. But I think a big part of the betrayal listenership
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They're here because they're getting something out of these real people's stories. All right. The last question that we have gotten a lot of, in fact, probably the most common question we get in our inbox, in our reviews. Do you know what it's going to be? Ads? Yes. Why are there so many ads on your podcast? I don't know what to say, guys.
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Funds the show. Yes. And... The show is free. That's the trade-off with ads. The show is free. But if you love the show and you don't want to hear ads, you can subscribe to iHeart True Crime Plus. Sorry, I have to do a plug. Good job, Mel. You're doing my job for me. Thank you. I love podcasts. I listen constantly to podcasts.
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So much gratitude for that. Okay. I want to move on to questions about specific episodes. Okay. And I'm going to do a little recap of each episode because I know it's been a few months since listeners have heard some of these stories. So our first question is about the Tora episode. Tora was episode number eight. She was a history professor.
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She met a student named Aaron in her class, an adult student. He was a veteran. He told her that he had had his foot blown off in an explosion while he was serving in in Afghanistan, and that he wore a prosthetic. But his death began the process of her learning that the amputation was a lie, that he actually had both of his feet.
Betrayal: Season 4
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So a listener wrote in to us and said, how could anyone live with a person and have a sexual relationship with them for three years and never see their foot?
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Yeah. I mean, there are the practical elements. Like, he not only wore a sock, but he also wore a hard plastic brace underneath the sock. So when he walked, it sounded like... a prosthetic. And I mean, he always used a different shower that he said was easier for him to get into. So there are logistics of how he actually pulled off the deception.
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But then there's, I think, a deeper level, too, that's more important to understand than the logistics of how he covered this up, is that he said it was an injury from a traumatic experience, an explosion that killed one of his friends in the war, which didn't happen. And there is a larger pattern about how these people who are manipulating others often work differently.
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There's this research psychologist, Dr. Jennifer Fried, who we talk a lot about. Yeah. And her work is foundational to understanding betrayal trauma. She coined the term betrayal trauma. She also coined this acronym DARVO, D-A-R-V-O, which is a manipulation technique. And it stands for deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender. It's super powerful and effective.
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We see this tactic all the time in the world. But in a case like Tora, Aaron was claiming that he had this very sympathetic and very traumatic victim narrative of how he lost his foot. And so oftentimes people who are doing Darvo are basically flipping the script of who the victim is. And their victim narrative is compelling and is powerful and emotional. Right.
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And it's the kind of thing that no sympathetic, reasonable person would say otherwise. I don't believe you that you had a injury in the war. Like you don't want to push someone on that. And the victim narratives can be so effective. I mean, we saw it also with Tammy McCrary in that episode where her husband was a fake doctor. He had said that he had two children.
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And the reason that Tammy could never talk to his parents is that his children and his parents all died in a car accident. Right. That's not the kind of story you are going to force someone you love to go into details about. You know, it's a very effective manipulation tool. Yeah. Okay. Our next question about a specific episode is about Danielle's story.
Betrayal: Season 4
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Danielle, just as a reminder for listeners, she was married to a man named Chad. Yeah. They had a big family. Chad was a financial advisor. She did all the homeschooling and all the labor in the house. And he did basically the money making. But over time, he's behaving strangely. Weird things are happening.
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And one night when she wakes up in the middle of the night, he's not there and the car is gone. But, you know, when she tries to press him on it, he just gets mad at her. Then years pass and nothing big happens. You know, things are a little weird. And he's pulling away from her and sleeping oftentimes in his office in the basement.
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And then one night she wakes up to the FBI and the state police having raided her house because it turns out Chad has kidnapped two of their family friends, an elderly couple that they actually went to church with. And he had put them in a dungeon that he had built himself. He's not actually a financial advisor.
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He was planning on having them go into a bank and wire him a check for multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. And thankfully, the FBI was called in very quickly. And then they found the couple alive. So a listener wrote to us and said, Chad leaves his home regularly at night, even on vacation. But why? To go where? To do what?
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Is there no other info on this disturbing habit other than that it happened?
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No, she doesn't. Like she doesn't know where he actually was that night. And even if she were to ask him after the fact, you know, call him in jail, which she does not communicate with him. But like even if she were to ask him, I don't think she believes she would get an honest answer. Right.
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But, you know, I think this question of how did someone not know comes up a lot in our inbox and in our reviews. And we often hear about these scenarios where something happens, like I wake up in the night and my partner's not here and it's off, but they don't know how off it really is. And it's important to remember that in these episodes, we're hearing stories. The whole story told at once.
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We're hearing all the red flags strung together in a row. It's true. But of course, this was happening, you know, there were years. Years, exactly. Years that were totally fine. And they took family vacations and nothing went wrong.
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Hey, Mo. Hi, Dre. So fun to come out from behind the scenes. Oh, my God. I am glad to be here, and I am excited to dive into some listener questions that we have been receiving all season on Betrayal Weekly. I love it.
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Yeah, I think default to truth is really important. And I think people want to believe that they are good at detecting liars because it makes... Makes you feel safe. Yes, makes you feel safe. That feeling of, I would have known... is a self-soothing feeling of it couldn't happen to me because I can tell. And I can tell when I hear this story. But we're producing this story.
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And if you're living it, it's a different experience. Right. Scary. It's really scary. Yeah. All right. Moving on to another question we got about a specific episode. And it's the episode with Dr. Carrie. Carrie McAvoy. She is a clinical psychologist. Her husband of 25 years, Brad, dies of cancer. And she's devastated. She's experiencing this grief, trying to find a way to move on.
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She decides she wants to throw herself back into dating. She meets a guy online who we in the episode call Caesar, and he is a Mexican-American dual citizen. He brings her into this world, essentially, of Mexican real estate development. And she puts a lot of Brad's life insurance money into developing a real estate company with Caesar. They get married. All of these things happen.
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There are so many deceptions. You have to go listen to both the parts to really get the full picture. But we got quite a lot of comments on this episode that there was one specific thing listeners were seeing that we did not say explicitly before. But they wanted to point out. And I think you know what I am referring to.
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Right. So let me just play the section from the episode that we're referring to.
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Yeah, exactly. That comes up in many of our episodes, almost a half of them. We have a situation where there's something we want to include, but for legal reasons.
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Yeah, you know, I've been a podcast producer for eight years and I've worked on all kinds of shows. I've produced chat shows, pop culture, news, narrative. But this show has been a complete standout in my work experience.
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I mean, from the day that I came onto this team, y'all have built this framework of doing something really unconventional and trying to, I think, develop a trauma-informed storytelling model. This collaborative kind of storytelling that we're doing where we're working with these survivors, we're giving them a lot of autonomy in the storytelling process.
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Okay, Dre, I have one more question that is about a specific episode. And this one is something that we heard from quite a few listeners. And I think there's a few things we need to say. So this comes from the Chelsea episode. The Chelsea episode, that was one of our most... Intense ones, really intense.
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Yeah, she did a Facebook deep dive. She was never 100% sure, but she was feeling like it probably was. And that's ultimately what led her to go to the police and report it. So let me share one of the questions that we got after the Chelsea episode. This is from a listener who said, in episode 16 about Chelsea, she mentions discovering that she thought she knew who the girl in the picture was.
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Was the girl found and taken out of the home? So this is just one that's representative of, I want to say, 10 questions we got to the same effect, which is what happened to this little girl? Is she safe? Is she okay? I wish we had the answer to that. And I wish that it was yes, she's safe.
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So getting to join that and getting to connect with the people that tell their stories, these people who've been through something really traumatic and are wanting to share their experiences has been incredibly rewarding for me. I think it's an uncommon experience in the audio industry to see a show work so closely with the storytellers and to collaborate with them in the way that we do.
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You're definitely right that we should have included that information that she did tell the police who she thought the child was. I mean, the day the episode came out, we were starting to get these questions in from listeners and we frantically went back to the script and we realized immediately like, oh my God, there's one piece of tape. didn't make the cut and that would have clarified so much.
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And we had been so focused on Chelsea's experience and Chelsea's story that when we ended up recounting that moment when she finally goes to the police, here's the piece of tape that we did include in the episode.
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But then there was this one critical piece of information and tape that we should have put in the episode. It's in that same scene where she's reporting to the police officer, finally reporting James. And this is the piece of tape we should have included in this episode.
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Definitely. Lesson learned column. Lesson learned column. And I know a lot of people who wrote in about this episode are just concerned and they want something more to be done. They want to make sure the girl is okay. And so did Chelsea. And some idea of her going directly to James or going directly to those friends' house, that is not a safe option. That is physically not a safe option for her.
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He also threatened that he would release nude photos of her that she had consensually sent him and that he said he had deleted, but he had kept. He threatened to send those to her colleagues. So she was feeling pretty scared of this person. Right.
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She did everything she could have while also keeping herself safe. Yeah. All right. Those are all of the questions I have.
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Yeah. We love engaging with listeners. We love it when people send in questions and they send in commentary. One of my favorite emails we got this year was someone who wrote in with feedback. And then I'm just going to read from, I think, one of the most salient points. Quote,
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danielle's story is case in point then she goes on to say it frustrates me when others tell me i'll find love again or i should date again i want to heal and build my self-esteem and i want to hear more stories about people who come back from this and build a business or go find an incredible and satisfying hobby start traveling or anything other than jump into another relationship and hope for the best with a new person i hope you'll keep this in mind when making future episodes
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I want to ask you about what it has been like for you to work on the weekly series because you worked on three seasons. You were really enmeshed in those stories.
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Yes. And I think she was writing into us to bring our attention to language like, you know, so-and-so found love again. And it's like, well, what do you call that first relationship? Love?
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So we're finished with these weekly episodes for the next few months. We are going to be back in August with new weekly episodes. What is coming up next on the feed? Do you want to talk about it, Trey?
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And then this is a totally new format for you. So I want to talk a little bit about what your experience has been like in hosting the weekly series.
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Well, Dre, I'm going to scurry back behind the curtain.
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And you do great work, Mo. So thank you. Thanks, Dre. I feel honored to get to work with a team that is this thoughtful and... mission-driven and talented, and also to get to work with individuals who are trusting us with some of the worst experiences of their life and trusting us to tell those with respect and care. It's really an honor.
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Mm hmm. Another thing that has been so special about Betrayal and working on Betrayal is the community that's developing. I mean, from the people who write in to us and to our Gmail to the people who share their stories on the podcast, they're like a part of making this with us.
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And as you know, some of our storytellers choose to receive listener mail and connect with people directly who want to share their story and connect with them over the phone. So it feels like there is a real community around this show.
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Okay, let's get on to some listener questions. I want to start with like a rapid fire round of questions we've gotten a lot of. Okay. So first off, the question is, why do you mostly feature stories from women? Why are there so few men on Betrayal Weekly?
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You know, what's interesting is that sometimes we get women writing in being like, I know a man who was betrayed, but it's not the man writing into us. Men do write into us. And we have featured a few stories from men on the weekly series. And some of those we had to go looking for, like Ramon Sosa. We had to intentionally find him because we didn't want to create a lineup of exclusively women.
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But at the same time, there is something going on that's bigger than just our podcast and the selection for our podcast, which is I think that maybe there's more shame. Men have more shame about saying I was deceived. That might not be as common or as practiced for men.
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Our next question is, do we vet people? Or similar question, how do we fact check these stories?
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Yeah. So when we get a story that comes in through the inbox and we reach out to the person to talk for what we call a pre-interview, which is just not recorded, hearing a little bit about their story, one of the first things we ask is for documentation. And it's not that we don't believe them. In fact, a trauma-informed approach to this work is that we're approaching everyone in with belief.
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However, we do put all these stories through a rigorous legal process in order for them to air. We ask our guests for documentation like divorce records, criminal records. And throughout the process, we're checking those things against the story that they're telling us.
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Another part of the vetting process, which is just as big, that we talk about internally is, is this person ready to tell this story at this time?
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And generally, we like to work with people who are professional. a few years out from their betrayal experience. So they've had a little bit more time to process it. And so when I'm first reaching out to someone who's written us an email and they wanna share their story, You know, in that initial call, we asked them about their support system, if they've told this story to other people.
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And I don't mean in a formal sense, like writing a book, but I mean, like, do people in your life, your kids, your friends, do they know this has happened to you? Which is not necessarily, you know, mutually exclusive of telling your story on this show. But I think it's a sign that this person is comfortable in this story and having the story associated with who they are. Right.
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We have a pretty conservative in-house legal team that wants to vet everything and make sure that anything that's a potentially defamatory claim has documentation available. behind it. And so that is a burden on us to make sure we get that documentation in order to run the episodes.
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And something else that this brings up is we hear from a lot of people who want to write books or want to tell their story publicly and they don't have the documentation. Or let's say they were so mad they burned it all, something like that. They threw it away.
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You know, if someone's listening right now and if you're in a situation where you're feeling taken advantage of or you're feeling like something's going really wrong, definitely from where I am right now producing these stories and getting them legally vetted, I can say it's super important to keep those receipts and keep those pieces of paper, those emails, those interactions, those financial statements, that kind of stuff can allow you to be able to legally tell your story in the future.
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It can't be overstated how important it is.
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Yeah. I mean, a lot of times in working with people who've experienced any kind of trauma, there is a way, a trauma-informed way you're supposed to approach what they've experienced. The sort of three principles are, I believe you, it's not your fault what happened, and you're not alone in this feeling.
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So anytime we're interacting with the storytellers, we're basically trying to take those three principles and adapt them into a media framework. So a setting like an interview or in the finished product of the podcast. That's all because we want to give the storytellers who are the lifeblood of this show autonomy and respect throughout the whole process.
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A little bit about what this looks like in practice is that in the pre interview, we explain what the process is going to look like. We talk to them about the options of keeping it anonymous or using their name, which is every storyteller's choice. Of course, if you use your name, your burden of documentation to provide is higher.
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When we're on the pre-interview, I encourage everyone to talk with their family and friends as they're deciding if they want to tell this story. And we let them know in that first call that we're going to request documentation as part of the legal review.
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And then once they consider all of that, if they want to participate and we think that their story is the right fit for the show, then we move on with an interview. I tell everyone, basically, you're in control of what you say, starting from here. If I ever ask you anything that you don't want to answer, you don't have to answer it.
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In fact, what I want most is for them to close their laptop that day, feeling like they are proud of how they represented themselves and not feeling like they disclosed anything that they're going to stay awake at night worrying about. Sometimes we do the interview in two sittings, especially if someone is feeling really emotional. We might break and come back another day.
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In terms of if someone's ready to tell their story, I don't think of crying as something that is a bad sign. I'm a crier. I cry almost every day. I am too. So it's fine. You are? Yeah. I cried earlier today. Great. So it doesn't mean that the person isn't ready to tell their story. I really trust them when they tell me, I want to do this.
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And of course, most of our stories come from people who wrote into us, and we are never pushing anyone into telling a story. We're not in the business of convincing people to tell these stories.
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After I do the interviews, then Dre, you come in and we work together with our associate producer, Caitlin Golden, to shape the stories. So do you want to take it from here and talk a little bit about what happens once we start shaping the stories? Yes.
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And then once we have the finished product, this is something I really love about Betrayal Weekly that many, many shows do not do. We send the episode to the guest before it's released. Yeah. And we want them to do a fact-checking pass, but we also want them to do a red flag pass.
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If something came out in the interview that would really make them feel extremely uncomfortable, would make a material impact in their daily life if it were to go out and they don't want it to run, We respect people's feedback on that and we work with them to change it before it goes out. Like I'm thinking of the example of Stephanie. Episode one. Right.