Monte Mader

I think he just wanted to wash his hands of it and just walk away.

I don't think that he's adhering to any of those principles at all.

But I at least have one sibling who very much does.

Heathens.

Well, obviously, like the first level is if you grew up in it, there's all that brainwashing.

I mean, you get a lifetime of brainwashing.

And I was fortunate enough, like one, I'm white.

Two, I was able to go to a different state and go to school on campus, which many of them stay homeschooled or they stay in state.

They never get disconnected from their community and see a different community.

For women, a large part of it is they encourage you to get married young and have kids young, which makes you financially dependent, barefoot and pregnant, and then you're stuck.

And so then you have not only the added you have the baseline.

It's all fear motivated.

Right.

They make you scared of a scapegoat.

But also it's this deep human, very human longing to belong.

And and people know that if they leave that movement, they lose their church, they lose their community, they'll lose their family.

It's like a gay kid coming out in a Christian home knowing that they are going to be thrown in the street.

is very much that feeling.

So there's a lot of that that goes on.

And because so many of them don't have a lot of access to external influences in their personal life, right?