Mouin Rabbani
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first heard Mar 2024
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Your basic claim is that it would be fair to assume that such a strike could have only been carried out with multiple levels of authorization and signing off. Okay, let's accept that for the sake of argument. We have now seen... Incident after incident after incident after incident where entire families are vaporized in single strikes.
Family members.
Why do I have to prove a negative?
You know,
30,000 is a small number. You consider 30,000 a small number?
12,000 children is only...
Is there a genocide going on in Gaza? Well, in several years, we will have a definitive response to that question. What has happened thus far is that on the 29th of December, the Republic of South Africa instituted proceedings against Israel pursuant to the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.
South Africa basically accused Israel of perpetrating genocide in the Gaza Strip. On the 26th of January, the court issued its initial ruling. The court at this stage is not making a determination on whether Israel has or has not committed genocide. So just as it has not found Israel guilty, it certainly also hasn't found Israel innocent.
What the court had to do at this stage was take one of two decisions. Either South Africa's case was the equivalent of a frivolous lawsuit and dismiss it and close the proceedings, or it had to determine that South Africa presented a plausible case that Israel was violating its obligations under the Genocide Convention and that it would on that basis hold a full hearing. Now, a lot of people
have looked at the court's ruling of the 26th of January and focused on the fact that the court did not order a ceasefire. I actually wasn't expecting it to order a ceasefire, and I wasn't surprised that it didn't, because in the other cases that the court has considered, most prominently Bosnia and Myanmar, it also didn't order a ceasefire.
And South Africa, in requesting a ceasefire, also didn't ask the court to render an opinion on the legitimacy or lack thereof of Israel's military operation. From my perspective, the key issue on the 26th of January was whether the court would simply dismiss the case or decide to proceed with it.
And it decided to proceed. And I think that's enormously significant.
Can you let me finish? Well, the end of the story is you specifically asked whether I think Israel is committing genocide. I explained formally there is no finding. And as you said, we won't know for a number of years. And I think there's legitimate questions to be raised. I mean, in the Bosnia case, which I think all four of us would agree was clearly a case of genocide. the court determined.
In the Bosnia case, the court determined that of all the evidence placed before them, only Srebrenica qualified as genocide and all the other atrocities committed did not qualify as genocide. You know, international law is a developing organism. I don't know how the court is going to respond in this case. So I wouldn't take it as a foregone conclusion how the court is going to respond.
I have too, because you're asking my personal opinion. So as a matter of law, I want to state very clearly, it has not been determined and won't be determined for several years. Based on my... observations and the evidence before me, I would say it's indisputable that Israel is engaged in a genocidal assault against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip.
Genocide consists of two elements, the destruction of a people in whole or in part. So in other words, you can commit genocide by killing 30,000 people. Well, five probably is below the threshold. Yes, but I think 30,000 crosses the threshold. and not reaching 500,000 is probably relevant. And the second element is there has to be an intent. In other words- And you believe there's an intent?
Yes, I think if there is any other plausible reason for why all these people are being murdered, it's not genocide. And as far as intent is concerned... What about hiding behind a human shield? You don't think that's a reason for them being killed? Well, let's get the intent part out of the way first. South Africa's... Forget South Africa.
They're pro-Hamas government. That's got nothing to do with anything. I think they're pro-Satan as well, last time I checked. No, they're pro-Hamas. You know, for some reason, you don't have a problem with people being pro-Israeli at the time of this, but if they support Palestinians' right to life or self-determination, they get demonized and delegitimized as pro-Ahmad.
But supporting a state that has murdered 30,000.
They wanted them killed.
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