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So... So one of the... I've been studying these ancient stories in the Old Testament a lot.

So... So one of the... I've been studying these ancient stories in the Old Testament a lot.

Oh, thank you. It's phenomenal. Oh, thank you. So one of the things that I really tried to delve into was Jacob's vision. Yeah. It's very cool because Jacob, when he has the vision of Jacob's ladder, Jacob's a bad guy. Yeah. He's... in collusion with his Oedipal mother. He's deceived his father. He's betrayed his brother. He's a mama's boy. He's intellectually arrogant. He's a coward.

Oh, thank you. It's phenomenal. Oh, thank you. So one of the things that I really tried to delve into was Jacob's vision. Yeah. It's very cool because Jacob, when he has the vision of Jacob's ladder, Jacob's a bad guy. Yeah. He's... in collusion with his Oedipal mother. He's deceived his father. He's betrayed his brother. He's a mama's boy. He's intellectually arrogant. He's a coward.

Oh, thank you. It's phenomenal. Oh, thank you. So one of the things that I really tried to delve into was Jacob's vision. Yeah. It's very cool because Jacob, when he has the vision of Jacob's ladder, Jacob's a bad guy. Yeah. He's... in collusion with his Oedipal mother. He's deceived his father. He's betrayed his brother. He's a mama's boy. He's intellectually arrogant. He's a coward.

He's a bad guy.

He's a bad guy.

He's a bad guy.

Yes, exactly. But then he leaves and he decides that he's going to be good. He's going to try to be good. That's when he has that dream. Now, the thing that's cool about the dream that's relevant to our discussion is that you have this Jacob's Ladder, which which, what would you say, spirals up into the ineffable, right? You can't see the pinnacle.

Yes, exactly. But then he leaves and he decides that he's going to be good. He's going to try to be good. That's when he has that dream. Now, the thing that's cool about the dream that's relevant to our discussion is that you have this Jacob's Ladder, which which, what would you say, spirals up into the ineffable, right? You can't see the pinnacle.

Yes, exactly. But then he leaves and he decides that he's going to be good. He's going to try to be good. That's when he has that dream. Now, the thing that's cool about the dream that's relevant to our discussion is that you have this Jacob's Ladder, which which, what would you say, spirals up into the ineffable, right? You can't see the pinnacle.

The pinnacle is wherever God is, but you can't see that. And the reason I think that that's relevant and important is because of the paradox that you just described. If you reach your goal, you satiate the system and the motivational framework disappears. Right? So that means there's no direction and there's no hope. That's the problem.

The pinnacle is wherever God is, but you can't see that. And the reason I think that that's relevant and important is because of the paradox that you just described. If you reach your goal, you satiate the system and the motivational framework disappears. Right? So that means there's no direction and there's no hope. That's the problem.

The pinnacle is wherever God is, but you can't see that. And the reason I think that that's relevant and important is because of the paradox that you just described. If you reach your goal, you satiate the system and the motivational framework disappears. Right? So that means there's no direction and there's no hope. That's the problem.

It's weird because you've attained your goal, but now you're directionless and technically you're hopeless because hope comes in consequence of positive emotion in relationship to a goal. So actually what you want, you might think... that paradise is the land of milk and honey, so to speak, that it's the land of infinite satiation.

It's weird because you've attained your goal, but now you're directionless and technically you're hopeless because hope comes in consequence of positive emotion in relationship to a goal. So actually what you want, you might think... that paradise is the land of milk and honey, so to speak, that it's the land of infinite satiation.

It's weird because you've attained your goal, but now you're directionless and technically you're hopeless because hope comes in consequence of positive emotion in relationship to a goal. So actually what you want, you might think... that paradise is the land of milk and honey, so to speak, that it's the land of infinite satiation.

But the problem with that is satiation destroys the frame and destroys hope. So actually what you want is a sequence of expanding goals with no upper limit. And that's exactly what you see in Jacob's Ladder. This is different than Sisyphus, right? Sisyphus pushes the rock up the hill and then it rolls back down the same hill. It's like, no, what you actually want is a mountain.

But the problem with that is satiation destroys the frame and destroys hope. So actually what you want is a sequence of expanding goals with no upper limit. And that's exactly what you see in Jacob's Ladder. This is different than Sisyphus, right? Sisyphus pushes the rock up the hill and then it rolls back down the same hill. It's like, no, what you actually want is a mountain.

But the problem with that is satiation destroys the frame and destroys hope. So actually what you want is a sequence of expanding goals with no upper limit. And that's exactly what you see in Jacob's Ladder. This is different than Sisyphus, right? Sisyphus pushes the rock up the hill and then it rolls back down the same hill. It's like, no, what you actually want is a mountain.