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And then when you get to the top of that, you can see another mountain. And then when you get to the top of that, you can see another one. And that never comes to an end. So that would be an inexhaustible source of motivation and hope. And it is independent. In a way, it's independent of accomplishment because there is no final goal.

And then when you get to the top of that, you can see another mountain. And then when you get to the top of that, you can see another one. And that never comes to an end. So that would be an inexhaustible source of motivation and hope. And it is independent. In a way, it's independent of accomplishment because there is no final goal.

And then when you get to the top of that, you can see another mountain. And then when you get to the top of that, you can see another one. And that never comes to an end. So that would be an inexhaustible source of motivation and hope. And it is independent. In a way, it's independent of accomplishment because there is no final goal.

But you don't want there to be a final goal because then you run into the paradoxical problem of satiation, right? And it is also strange, and you were touching on this, that one of the really weird things about human beings is that we're far more seeking-oriented than satiation-oriented, right? Is that we do want the adventure. We want the craving. We want the desire. The progress, right?

But you don't want there to be a final goal because then you run into the paradoxical problem of satiation, right? And it is also strange, and you were touching on this, that one of the really weird things about human beings is that we're far more seeking-oriented than satiation-oriented, right? Is that we do want the adventure. We want the craving. We want the desire. The progress, right?

But you don't want there to be a final goal because then you run into the paradoxical problem of satiation, right? And it is also strange, and you were touching on this, that one of the really weird things about human beings is that we're far more seeking-oriented than satiation-oriented, right? Is that we do want the adventure. We want the craving. We want the desire. The progress, right?

Yeah, and the progress. More than we want the attainment. Absolutely. You know, like I had a client once, I had a funny conversation with him. He had this dream of retiring when he was like 50, you know. And he had a pretty cut and dried, ordinary, algorithmic job, you know. And so it was okay, but it wasn't a thrill. It wasn't the meaning of his life. You know, and I said, well,

Yeah, and the progress. More than we want the attainment. Absolutely. You know, like I had a client once, I had a funny conversation with him. He had this dream of retiring when he was like 50, you know. And he had a pretty cut and dried, ordinary, algorithmic job, you know. And so it was okay, but it wasn't a thrill. It wasn't the meaning of his life. You know, and I said, well,

Yeah, and the progress. More than we want the attainment. Absolutely. You know, like I had a client once, I had a funny conversation with him. He had this dream of retiring when he was like 50, you know. And he had a pretty cut and dried, ordinary, algorithmic job, you know. And so it was okay, but it wasn't a thrill. It wasn't the meaning of his life. You know, and I said, well,

what's your vision for retirement? And he said, well, I imagine being on a beach in the Caribbean with like a Mai Tai in my hand. And I thought, well, that's a travel poster, not a plan. And so I talked to him about it. I said, well, look, you're like a middle-aged white guy.

what's your vision for retirement? And he said, well, I imagine being on a beach in the Caribbean with like a Mai Tai in my hand. And I thought, well, that's a travel poster, not a plan. And so I talked to him about it. I said, well, look, you're like a middle-aged white guy.

what's your vision for retirement? And he said, well, I imagine being on a beach in the Caribbean with like a Mai Tai in my hand. And I thought, well, that's a travel poster, not a plan. And so I talked to him about it. I said, well, look, you're like a middle-aged white guy.

You're going to sit on the damn beach for one day and you're going to be so sunburned, you're going to have to hide for two weeks. And then what are you going to do? You're going to drink like five Mai Tais a day or 20 for how long? Right. You're going to be an alcoholic in no time flat. You've got no orientation or goal. There was nothing to it at all, right?

You're going to sit on the damn beach for one day and you're going to be so sunburned, you're going to have to hide for two weeks. And then what are you going to do? You're going to drink like five Mai Tais a day or 20 for how long? Right. You're going to be an alcoholic in no time flat. You've got no orientation or goal. There was nothing to it at all, right?

You're going to sit on the damn beach for one day and you're going to be so sunburned, you're going to have to hide for two weeks. And then what are you going to do? You're going to drink like five Mai Tais a day or 20 for how long? Right. You're going to be an alcoholic in no time flat. You've got no orientation or goal. There was nothing to it at all, right?

Well, right, right, right.

Well, right, right, right.

Well, right, right, right.

Well, that's also part and parcel of the call to religious humility.

Well, that's also part and parcel of the call to religious humility.