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You're going to substitute permanence and maybe improving permanence for the momentary pleasure. Why would we do that? Well, okay. So I've been thinking about this in terms of maturation because I think a lot of the things that we see as hedonistic and power-mad pathologies are just sustained immaturity. Right. Because toddlers are...

immature and they're whim driven and they're not social they can't truly play not not until they're about three right right that's when they start to unify a three-year-old begins to be able to adopt a shared mutual goal and that's the basis of mutual understanding and friendship and true friendship emerges when That process of establishing a mutual goal iterates across playbouts, okay?

immature and they're whim driven and they're not social they can't truly play not not until they're about three right right that's when they start to unify a three-year-old begins to be able to adopt a shared mutual goal and that's the basis of mutual understanding and friendship and true friendship emerges when That process of establishing a mutual goal iterates across playbouts, okay?

immature and they're whim driven and they're not social they can't truly play not not until they're about three right right that's when they start to unify a three-year-old begins to be able to adopt a shared mutual goal and that's the basis of mutual understanding and friendship and true friendship emerges when That process of establishing a mutual goal iterates across playbouts, okay?

And so you can see an extension of temporal awareness there and a broadening of social relationship. And the reason the two-year-old, it's weird, because the two-year-old now has to take turns And that's a sacrifice because he doesn't get to be first all the time. And that'll produce a tantrum when that's first being learned, especially with an aggressive kid.

And so you can see an extension of temporal awareness there and a broadening of social relationship. And the reason the two-year-old, it's weird, because the two-year-old now has to take turns And that's a sacrifice because he doesn't get to be first all the time. And that'll produce a tantrum when that's first being learned, especially with an aggressive kid.

And so you can see an extension of temporal awareness there and a broadening of social relationship. And the reason the two-year-old, it's weird, because the two-year-old now has to take turns And that's a sacrifice because he doesn't get to be first all the time. And that'll produce a tantrum when that's first being learned, especially with an aggressive kid.

But the payoff is, well, you don't get to be first, but you get to have way more games.

But the payoff is, well, you don't get to be first, but you get to have way more games.

But the payoff is, well, you don't get to be first, but you get to have way more games.

Right, yes, yes. It's exactly the same thing. The rat gets to have a friend. And so he only wins 70% of the time, but he plays 100 games instead of one.

Right, yes, yes. It's exactly the same thing. The rat gets to have a friend. And so he only wins 70% of the time, but he plays 100 games instead of one.

Right, yes, yes. It's exactly the same thing. The rat gets to have a friend. And so he only wins 70% of the time, but he plays 100 games instead of one.

Right, right, exactly. Okay, so like... I worked with these guys in Montreal. We delved very deeply into the origins of antisocial and psychopathic behavior. Okay, so the first thing that we learned was that the most aggressive human beings are two-year-olds.

Right, right, exactly. Okay, so like... I worked with these guys in Montreal. We delved very deeply into the origins of antisocial and psychopathic behavior. Okay, so the first thing that we learned was that the most aggressive human beings are two-year-olds.

Right, right, exactly. Okay, so like... I worked with these guys in Montreal. We delved very deeply into the origins of antisocial and psychopathic behavior. Okay, so the first thing that we learned was that the most aggressive human beings are two-year-olds.

Right, so if you group human beings together in age-matched groups, there is more kicking, hitting, biting, and stealing among two-year-olds than any other group. Okay, now if you look at the two-year-olds, what you see is that most of the two-year-olds who do that are male, and it's a minority of males.

Right, so if you group human beings together in age-matched groups, there is more kicking, hitting, biting, and stealing among two-year-olds than any other group. Okay, now if you look at the two-year-olds, what you see is that most of the two-year-olds who do that are male, and it's a minority of males.

Right, so if you group human beings together in age-matched groups, there is more kicking, hitting, biting, and stealing among two-year-olds than any other group. Okay, now if you look at the two-year-olds, what you see is that most of the two-year-olds who do that are male, and it's a minority of males.

Yeah, 5%. Most of that minority is socialized by the age of four. Right. Okay, the ones that aren't socialized are the repeat psychopathic offenders. And so what it seems to me is just just the absence of cortical maturation. Now, you know, classic penological theory, like I learned this kind of painfully because I was a little romantic in my attitude, I suppose, before this.