Nadja Spiegelman

And on the other hand, those texts were texts in which she expressed herself clearly and fully and in which I felt very seen, even more so maybe than texts in which she wasn't getting that help.

How do you feel about AI as a tool within human relationships for each person to speak to separately about their relationship and then perhaps to use as a bridge in communication gaps?

Yeah.

And can you tell us a little bit about why you brought this poem to this conversation?

Yeah, and with AI you simply never have, you're never bearing a scar, you're never bearing a wound.

That's beautifully said.

And I get so much of what I wanted to learn from you on this topic was if AI gives us unconditional love, then is the human love that we're seeking inherently conditional and why not?

Is that richer, deeper, more fundamentally something that can fulfill us than love that is unconditional?

We need suffering to know happiness.

Yes.

Yeah.

I mean, one of my questions for you was, is there something fundamentally human that AI can never replicate?

I think you're starting to say that, that AI can't make us grow in these ways.

It is not flawed and it does not point us to our flaws.

And therefore, in relationship with AI, there is not the same kind of growth.

Esther, it is such a treat to get to talk to you.

Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you.

It's a pleasure.

I'm Nadja Spiegelman, and I'm a culture editor for New York Times Opinion.