Nadja Spiegelman

They're all real footage, but you can see something very different depending on the angle from which it's filmed.

And if we can't agree on how we're reading real images, how can we agree in a world where we can't even know if the images are real?

From both of you, I'm curious, how do you think AI and all of this AI content is going to impact media organizations like The New York Times?

And what can journalists and media organizations do to keep building trust?

I think that's such a good point.

And to that point, that they don't have an economic incentive to regulate this, but they are driven by what people will look at.

It doesn't seem people will look at AI images that trick them, but they don't like looking at AI images and videos.

I think there's a survey that says half of U.S.

adults would use social platforms less if there was more AI content on them.

And I wonder how you think, like, can this be fixed by the fact that people simply don't like looking at this imagery?

Yeah, I think you're creating such a good distinction.

There's can AI create art?

And art is something that we think of as a way of communing with another soul.

And if AI does not have a soul, then it cannot create art.

And then there's what are we doing when we are scrolling on our phones, when we are addicted to social media?

We're not.

looking for the same experience that looking at a painting in a museum gives us.

We're actually looking for a much sort of cheaper, faster emotional rush.

And perhaps AI can do that.

And if it can do that, we will continue consuming it.