Nadja Spiegelman

Well, let's cast ourselves back.

So Kendall, Jess, cast yourself back.

to 2003.

It's low waist jeans, it's flip phones, it's huge belts, it's blowouts.

What was your experience of watching America's Next Top Model when it first came out?

But at the time you were like, this is the world.

Yeah.

And that's why I want to ask you about the hell you've seen in the industry now in 2026.

So more than 20 years later, you're watching this Netflix documentary and you're revisiting it through the lens of 2026.

What was it like rewatching it?

Were you surprised?

Kendall, can you give us really specific examples of how things on the show were different from the actual modeling industry that you then entered?

Wow.

That's really useful context.

And so when we're watching On America's Next Top Model, the documentary, Exposé and Dani, the model that you're talking about, it's a really moving storyline on the show.

She has this beautiful gap between her teeth and Tyra forces her to close it, or the show forces her to close it.

And she basically talks about how she would have been a more successful working model if she'd been able to have this gap in her teeth.

Me getting my gap closed is not opening any doors for me.

You knew what you were doing for the show.

You were making good for TV at my expense.