Nadja Spiegelman

But if everyone starts to think like that and every idea is expressed like that, then we're cutting ourselves off from the richness of so much of the world.

And so I'm curious about how you feel in general about people building relationships with AI.

Are these relationships potentially healthy?

Is there a possibility for a relationship with an AI to be healthy?

I think that's so interesting.

And exactly also where I was hoping this conversation would go is that in thinking about whether or not we can love AI, we have to think about what it means to love.

In the same way where when we ask ourselves if AI is conscious, we have to ask ourselves what it means to be conscious.

And these questions bring up so much about what is fundamentally human about us, not just in the question of what can or cannot be replicated.

So...

I don't disagree with you, but I'm going to play devil's advocate.

I would say that the people who create these chatbots very intentionally try and build in ethics, at least insofar as they have guide rails around trying to make sure that the people who are becoming intimately reliant on this technology aren't harmed by it.

And that's a sense of ethics that comes not from the AI itself, but from its programmers themselves.

that guides people away from conversations that might be racist or homophobic, that tries to guide people towards healthy solutions in their lives.

Does that not count if it's programmed in?

I think that's so interesting.

That's the guardrail.

Yeah.

I think that this is so crucial, the fact that AI is a business product in the sense that they're being marketed these products as something that's going to replace the labor force.

But instead, what they're incredibly good at isn't necessarily being able to problem solve in a way where they can replace someone's job yet.

And instead, forming these very intense, deep human connections with people, which doesn't even necessarily seem like what they were first designed to do, but just happens to be something that they're incredibly good at.