Nadja Spiegelman

And I'm curious, do you have any patients who have fallen in love with a chatbot?

I'm curious, given all these people who say they are falling in love with them, do you think that these companions highlight our human yearnings?

Are we learning something about our desires for validation, for presence, for being understood?

Or are they reshaping those yearnings for us in ways that we don't understand yet?

Both.

Both.

And that is a question.

Yeah, that's why I'm very curious about that.

Because it seems like what you're saying is that these relationships that we can have with AI highlight our desires to be unconditionally loved.

But that unconditional love... We didn't wait for AI to have that desire.

It's an old dream.

It feeds and meets an impossible desire for unconditional love.

And then when we go out into the world and encounter other humans, love can never actually be unconditional.

Is that what you're saying?

This is one of your fundamental ideas that has been so meaningful for me in my own life, of just that desire is a function of knowing, of tolerating mystery in the other, that there has to be separation between yourself and the other to really feel

eros and love and it seems like what you're saying is that with an ai there just simply isn't that there isn't the otherness well it's also that mystery is often perceived as a bug right rather than as a feature that's what i was going to ask is like to again play devil's advocate there's no one knows what ai is going to say the programmers don't know how ai is going to respond

If you ask an AI, do you care about me?

Do you love me?

It will tell you I am a non-human entity, but I do love you.

There still is an element of mystery.