Nancy Salzman

It sounds kind of pushy.

It honestly sounds so invasive.

This is the whole control your emotional state thing.

Nancy Salzman, who we met last episode, is a mega fan of this technique.

She used it to get herself through prison.

And this is where it all began.

That's exactly what Bandler and Grinder tried to do.

Bandler and Grinder actually brought their experimental therapy to Napa State Hospital, a psychiatric facility with thousands of patients.

At the time, one of the problems in these facilities was that doctors would just slap diagnoses on people, and then if the treatments didn't work, the patients were deemed incurable.

Right.

But others felt Bandler and Grinder sometimes did more harm than good.

Okay, so just FYI, making out with a client as a therapist is a huge ethical breach.

I couldn't make sense of what I was hearing.