Naomi Saks

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374 appearances 2 recordings 1 series first heard Feb 2024 last heard Sep 2024

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It's not because we're not good people.
It's because we didn't ever, we haven't strengthened those muscles.
And we also have this really bad 200 year problem that you can either be rational and, and have good judgment, or you can be spiritual and, and actually be,
And transcendent.
And that's just that's really old school.
We're so tired of that.
We're done with that.
So now what we do is we encourage our friends, our colleagues to screen for spiritual need one or two questions that help them identify distress and help them know what to do with those.
Not would you like to see a chaplain?
That's not a spiritual screen that makes sure all you find out is whether they like chaplains, know what one is and how they feel about it.
So we teach people two or three sentences to screen for distress.
What do you turn to when life is challenging like this, such as, very important, prayer, nature, family, meditation, reading, knitting, whatever you see around the room,
are you able to turn to it now?
We don't really care if someone is a Tibetan Buddhist if they're doing fine with that and they're getting a lot of nutrition from that.
But we do care if someone is spiritually distressed, they're having a sense of abandonment, loss of personhood, purpose, meaning that there's been a fissure in their whole identity where they actually are experiencing pain and symptoms worse than if that was treated.
And so...
We ask you to, number one, know how to do that and then know what to do with the information you get.
So many of us are so afraid to open this box because we are such lovely people that we want to address every box we open.
And we're like, oh, we don't want to open that one because we don't know how to address it.
We might not have a chaplain around because we're understaffed and under-resourceless chaplains.
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