Nat Towsen

uh not a non-nationalistic yeah i got you uh a non-nationalistic narrative but about supporting americans about like we really about american prosperity i mean you know i and that doesn't mean letting the free market go wild and and letting ezra klein union bust or whatever it means like actually supporting a labor movement actually supporting laborers the working class

allowing the middle class to grow again or, you know, creating conditions in which it can grow again.

I think I think you're totally right that we do need to have a way to be like we have the responsibility to help other countries in the world when human rights violations are being, you know, are being committed.

And our military force is an absolute last resort.

We need to use an international coalition.

We need to use diplomacy whenever possible.

in order to maintain American prosperity while preventing human rights abuses nationwide.

And I want to point out what you're saying with Adam Smith and with all these people about no mention of Gaza and the human rights abuses in this autopsy.

I think

Part of what's so frustrating about that is you hear him saying, you hear a lot of people saying, well, you can't talk to these people.

Your autopsy needs to include that.

And I think the reason you can't talk to these people is because you're learning that that's a line in the sand.

So often we keep hearing, well, they're not willing to have this conversation.

It's like, okay, well, it's been a few years.

Maybe take away from that fact.

that we're not willing to have a conversation about whether or not murdering babies is good.

You're so far past the line in the sand for so many people.

If you say international human rights, a lot of people would be like, oh, I don't care about that.

But it turns out it costs us votes.

It turns out people do actually really care about human rights, and they need to find a way to not make that antithetical to being pro-America.