Nat Towsen

It's the backbone of not only our economy, but our way of survival.

Energy is essential.

Except for the handful of homesteaders, but...

Part of why I mentioned it twice, I believe, in that conversation was there's all these people who live near areas where data centers are being built, who are suddenly paying higher utility bills

They don't have to use OpenAI or Grok or whatever to have their water poisoned and their energy bills go up because the utility is pumping it into this new AI data center.

You just have to be near it on the grid.

And that's not something that we can conserve our way out of.

You can't control that.

The conservation answer is not.

I was glad that he was in support of, you know, I mean, without a clear plan, but, you know, public utilities.

I think I think that's as you said, it's a service.

This is, you know, no different from the water at this point.

We need it.

And I was happy to see him.

I mean, obviously, Washington already has a public utility, but to be able to support because I do think that's a path forward away from.

Yeah, we've just privatized.

You know, I mean, it's similar to health in some ways, healthcare, like we've privatized something essential.

And of course, when we privatize it, it doesn't, it's not static.

They have to find ways to extract more and more value out of it to please shareholders, which means, you know, relative surplus value out of all the consumers and the workers and pay them less and we pay more over and over again.

Like these things aren't going to stay the same.