Natalie Joy

I don't know.

You, I just, you don't want to say anything.

I mean, you guys fell in love on TV.

Yeah, and, like, I will 1,000% say, like, John is an amazing guy.

I mean, we had our issues, and there were things, and that was the demise of the relationship.

And, like, yeah, we're getting emotional and a little heated here, but at the end of the day, like, I thought you were an amazing guy.

guy man whatever on the show I still think you are I just think our communication fell apart I don't really know what happened but my only thing that I would say is that like you gotta learn how to communicate better I don't know I mean I'm not saying I'm perfect but I really care about you I always have over this last nine months so you know I'm not here to like trash you I'm not here to like dig up

bad stuff.

But I think that you are very closed off right now.

And I think when we were on the show and we were together, you were very open.

You're very comfortable.

And that's why we flowed so well.

And I don't I don't know.

That's that's just my take.

No, I agree.

All right.

Well, I appreciate that.

I just think that we didn't have the communication skills that we needed.

And I think the distance definitely had a huge part in it because, you know, when you live across the country from each other, you can't just be like, let's go grab coffee and go for a walk and like talk through this or whatever.

Like it's telephone.