Natasha Belling

The former king of Australian radio had this to say outside court.

Joining us to unpack all of today's developments and what it means for Carl, Jackie O and ARN is workplace relations lawyer Michael Burns.

Michael, thanks for joining us.

Another sensational chapter in the Kyle and Jackie O controversy.

Today, we understand both Kyle and Jackie O went to the federal court with their separate legal cases against ARN, but a decision was made by the judge to hear their cases in October, correct?

Why couldn't the cases be heard earlier?

Michael, so before we get to what unfolded in this court appearance today, let's take us back to exactly how this all unfolded.

Let's just quickly talk about the ARN documents that were part of their defence.

Now we've got another insight.

These are again bombshell allegations and bombshell documents.

Take us through what ARN is alleging because in another twist to this controversy, they've now counter sued both Kyle and Jackie O.

So interesting you mentioned that, Michael, because I was just about to ask you about that quote.

So that quote came from Sunderland's barrister, Scott Robinson, who is an SC.

Yeah.

So what you said is the fact that if you buy Kyle, you get Kyle.

Now, interestingly, Scott did say...

that his client's conduct may not have been pleasant, ARN Media knew exactly what it was getting and took responsibility for his remarks in a specially customised contract.

You're an expert in this field.

To what degree were the specifics in their contracts coming to play with this case, both of these cases?

There's always interesting, and I'm going to say leaks, because when there's leaks, Michael, one may argue there are always agendas.