Natasha Singer

Exactly.

So there's the visa issue already.

And then AI comes along and that changes a number of things.

First of all, big tech companies have changed priorities.

They want to invest more in building these huge data centers that they need to run AI services.

And that means less is going to go to humans on the workforce.

So they're cutting back on that.

And then the AI itself is beginning to replace workers.

We saw Salesforce announce they're laying off thousands of customer service workers because AI can do some of those jobs, but also in software engineering itself.

Yeah.

I went to visit Anthropic when I was in San Francisco.

You know, they make the AI tool Claude and they have Claude code, you know, which generates code.

And, you know, they were talking about everybody coming to terms with the fact that being a software engineer is changing and that producing the code yourself is no longer the backbone of some of these jobs.

And, you know, that is a particular hardship for kids who've just spent the last decade learning how to master computer programming.

So as part of my reporting on this, we asked recent computer science grads around the country to share their experiences with us.

And we heard from more than 100 recent college computer science grads.

And I'm just going to read you some of their responses.

They said, it's extremely discouraging.

It's incredibly frustrating.

It is soul crushing.