Nathan Berry

And we've been building deeper integrations with them.

And I think of them because I was just at their office yesterday.

And so they're just great people and building a really solid product.

And I look at all their growth numbers because they're insane.

I think that all of this is going to take longer than you think it will.

I wasn't super impatient at 20, but fairly impatient.

And so just knowing that if you grind it out for years and you keep working in the same company, I had like a build it, flip it, build the next thing kind of mentality.

And once that changed to, nope, this is what I'm doing five years, 10 years, 20 years down the road, then you start to get the compounding effects of SaaS and

it's just so much better.