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Nathan Lambert

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1665 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And this is sort of where this dichotomy exists of who's actually modifying the process, who's actually developing the next generation one, who's improving them, is Hsinchu, is Hillsborough, is Pyongyang, right? It is not the rest of these fabs like Arizona, right? Arizona is a paperweight. If Hsinchu disappeared off the face of the planet, within a year, couple years,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And this is sort of where this dichotomy exists of who's actually modifying the process, who's actually developing the next generation one, who's improving them, is Hsinchu, is Hillsborough, is Pyongyang, right? It is not the rest of these fabs like Arizona, right? Arizona is a paperweight. If Hsinchu disappeared off the face of the planet, within a year, couple years,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And this is sort of where this dichotomy exists of who's actually modifying the process, who's actually developing the next generation one, who's improving them, is Hsinchu, is Hillsborough, is Pyongyang, right? It is not the rest of these fabs like Arizona, right? Arizona is a paperweight. If Hsinchu disappeared off the face of the planet, within a year, couple years,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Arizona would stop producing too, right? It's actually like pretty critical. One of the things I like to say is if I had like a few missiles, I know exactly where I could cause the most economic damage, right? It's not targeting the White House, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Arizona would stop producing too, right? It's actually like pretty critical. One of the things I like to say is if I had like a few missiles, I know exactly where I could cause the most economic damage, right? It's not targeting the White House, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Arizona would stop producing too, right? It's actually like pretty critical. One of the things I like to say is if I had like a few missiles, I know exactly where I could cause the most economic damage, right? It's not targeting the White House, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

It's the R&D centers for TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and then some of the memory guys, Micron and Hynix.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

It's the R&D centers for TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and then some of the memory guys, Micron and Hynix.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

It's the R&D centers for TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and then some of the memory guys, Micron and Hynix.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And so TSMC, you cannot purchase a vehicle without TSMC chips, right? You cannot purchase a fridge without TSMC chips. I think one of the few things you can purchase, ironically, is a Texas Instruments graphing calculator, right? Because they actually manufacture in Texas. But outside of that, a laptop, a phone. It's depressing. Anything you, servers, right? GPUs, none of this stuff can exist.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And so TSMC, you cannot purchase a vehicle without TSMC chips, right? You cannot purchase a fridge without TSMC chips. I think one of the few things you can purchase, ironically, is a Texas Instruments graphing calculator, right? Because they actually manufacture in Texas. But outside of that, a laptop, a phone. It's depressing. Anything you, servers, right? GPUs, none of this stuff can exist.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And so TSMC, you cannot purchase a vehicle without TSMC chips, right? You cannot purchase a fridge without TSMC chips. I think one of the few things you can purchase, ironically, is a Texas Instruments graphing calculator, right? Because they actually manufacture in Texas. But outside of that, a laptop, a phone. It's depressing. Anything you, servers, right? GPUs, none of this stuff can exist.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And this is without, without TSMC. And in many cases, it's not even like the leading edge, you know, sexy five nanometer chip, three nanometer chip, two nanometer chip. Oftentimes it's just like some stupid power IC that's like converting from like, you know, some voltage to another, right? And it's made at TSMC, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And this is without, without TSMC. And in many cases, it's not even like the leading edge, you know, sexy five nanometer chip, three nanometer chip, two nanometer chip. Oftentimes it's just like some stupid power IC that's like converting from like, you know, some voltage to another, right? And it's made at TSMC, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And this is without, without TSMC. And in many cases, it's not even like the leading edge, you know, sexy five nanometer chip, three nanometer chip, two nanometer chip. Oftentimes it's just like some stupid power IC that's like converting from like, you know, some voltage to another, right? And it's made at TSMC, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

So they do R&D on their own. They're just way behind, right? So I would say in 2015, China had a five-year plan where they defined by 2025 and 2020 certain goals, including 80% domestic production of semiconductors. Mm-hmm. They're not going to hit that, right, to be clear. But they are in certain areas really, really close, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

So they do R&D on their own. They're just way behind, right? So I would say in 2015, China had a five-year plan where they defined by 2025 and 2020 certain goals, including 80% domestic production of semiconductors. Mm-hmm. They're not going to hit that, right, to be clear. But they are in certain areas really, really close, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

So they do R&D on their own. They're just way behind, right? So I would say in 2015, China had a five-year plan where they defined by 2025 and 2020 certain goals, including 80% domestic production of semiconductors. Mm-hmm. They're not going to hit that, right, to be clear. But they are in certain areas really, really close, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Like BYD is probably going to be the first company in the world to not have to use TSMC for making, because they have their own FAPs, right, for making chips. Now, they still have to buy some chips from foreign, for example, like around like self-driving ADAS capabilities, because those are really high end. But at least like, you know, like an internal combustion engine has 40 chips and an EVE

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Like BYD is probably going to be the first company in the world to not have to use TSMC for making, because they have their own FAPs, right, for making chips. Now, they still have to buy some chips from foreign, for example, like around like self-driving ADAS capabilities, because those are really high end. But at least like, you know, like an internal combustion engine has 40 chips and an EVE