Nathan Lambert
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first heard Feb 2025
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But it's very intentional for why I talk about innovation and science in the US because I think it's both more realistic as an outcome, but just like it's a world that I would like to manifest.
Yeah, my argument is that we should be in a leading position.
But I think that it's worth saying it so simply because there are still voices in the AI ecosystem that say we should consider banning releasing open models due to the safety risks.
And I think it's worth adding that I think effectively that's impossible without making the US have its own great firewall, which is also known to not
work that well because the cost for training these models whether it's one to a hundred million dollars is attainable to a huge amount of people in the world that want to have influence so these models will be getting trained all over the world and these we want the models especially with like
I mean, there are safety concerns, but we want these information and tools to flow freely across the world and into the US so that we people can use them and learn from them.
And we like stopping that would be such a restructuring of our Internet that it seems impossible.
These Chinese companies have set things into motion that I think would
potentially not have happened if they were not all releasing models.
So I think it was like...
I'm almost sure that those discussions have been had by leadership.
Depends on the trajectory of progress that you predict.
If you think saturation and progress is even coming within a few years, so essentially within the time where financial support is still very good, then open models will be so optimized and so much cheaper to run that they will win out.
Essentially, this goes back to open source ideas where so many more people will be putting money into optimizing this serving of these open weight common architectures that they will become standards.
And then you could have chips dedicated to them and it'll be way cheaper than the offerings from these closed companies that are custom.
On the Manhattan Project thing, one of my funny things making Adam is I think that like a Manhattan Project-like thing for open models would actually be pretty reasonable because it wouldn't cost that much.
But I think that that will come.
It seems like culturally the companies are changing.
But I agree with Sebastian on all the stuff that you just said.
It's just like, I don't see it happening nor being helpful.
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