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Nathan Lambert

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1665 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

I'll just build natural gas plants. This is what Meta is doing in Louisiana. This is what OpenAI is doing in Texas and all these different places. They may not be doing it directly, but they are partnered with someone. And so There is a couple hopes, right? One is, Elon, what he's doing in Memphis is to the extreme. They're not just using dual combine cycle gas, which is super efficient.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

He's also just using single cycle and mobile generators and stuff, which is less efficient. But you know, there's also like the flip side, which is like solar power generation is like this. And wind is another, like, like this different correlate, you know, different.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

He's also just using single cycle and mobile generators and stuff, which is less efficient. But you know, there's also like the flip side, which is like solar power generation is like this. And wind is another, like, like this different correlate, you know, different.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

He's also just using single cycle and mobile generators and stuff, which is less efficient. But you know, there's also like the flip side, which is like solar power generation is like this. And wind is another, like, like this different correlate, you know, different.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

So if you stack both of those, plus you get a big chunk of batteries, um, plus you have a little bit of gas, it is possible to run it more green. It's just the timescales for that is slow, right? So people are trying, um, But, you know, Meta basically said, whatever, don't care about my sustainability pledge.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

So if you stack both of those, plus you get a big chunk of batteries, um, plus you have a little bit of gas, it is possible to run it more green. It's just the timescales for that is slow, right? So people are trying, um, But, you know, Meta basically said, whatever, don't care about my sustainability pledge.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

So if you stack both of those, plus you get a big chunk of batteries, um, plus you have a little bit of gas, it is possible to run it more green. It's just the timescales for that is slow, right? So people are trying, um, But, you know, Meta basically said, whatever, don't care about my sustainability pledge.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Or they'll buy like a power, it's called a PPA, power purchasing agreement, where there'll be a massive wind farm or solar farm, like wherever. And then they'll just pretend like those electrons are being consumed by the data center. But in reality, they're paying for the power here and selling it to the grid and they're buying power here. Yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Or they'll buy like a power, it's called a PPA, power purchasing agreement, where there'll be a massive wind farm or solar farm, like wherever. And then they'll just pretend like those electrons are being consumed by the data center. But in reality, they're paying for the power here and selling it to the grid and they're buying power here. Yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

Or they'll buy like a power, it's called a PPA, power purchasing agreement, where there'll be a massive wind farm or solar farm, like wherever. And then they'll just pretend like those electrons are being consumed by the data center. But in reality, they're paying for the power here and selling it to the grid and they're buying power here. Yeah.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And then another thing is like Microsoft quit on some of their sustainability pledges, right? Elon, what he did with Memphis is objectively somewhat dirty, but he's also doing it in an area where there's like a bigger natural gas plant right next door and like a sewer next or not a sewer, but like a wastewater treatment and a garbage dump nearby, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And then another thing is like Microsoft quit on some of their sustainability pledges, right? Elon, what he did with Memphis is objectively somewhat dirty, but he's also doing it in an area where there's like a bigger natural gas plant right next door and like a sewer next or not a sewer, but like a wastewater treatment and a garbage dump nearby, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And then another thing is like Microsoft quit on some of their sustainability pledges, right? Elon, what he did with Memphis is objectively somewhat dirty, but he's also doing it in an area where there's like a bigger natural gas plant right next door and like a sewer next or not a sewer, but like a wastewater treatment and a garbage dump nearby, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And he's obviously made the world a lot more clean than that one data center is going to do, right? So I think like it's fine to some extent and maybe AGI solves that. you know, global warming and stuff, right? Whatever it is. You know, this is sort of the attitude that people at the labs have, right? Which is like, yeah, it's great. We'll just use gas, right? Because the race is that important.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And he's obviously made the world a lot more clean than that one data center is going to do, right? So I think like it's fine to some extent and maybe AGI solves that. you know, global warming and stuff, right? Whatever it is. You know, this is sort of the attitude that people at the labs have, right? Which is like, yeah, it's great. We'll just use gas, right? Because the race is that important.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And he's obviously made the world a lot more clean than that one data center is going to do, right? So I think like it's fine to some extent and maybe AGI solves that. you know, global warming and stuff, right? Whatever it is. You know, this is sort of the attitude that people at the labs have, right? Which is like, yeah, it's great. We'll just use gas, right? Because the race is that important.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And if we lose, you know, that's way worse, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And if we lose, you know, that's way worse, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

And if we lose, you know, that's way worse, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#459 โ€“ DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, TSMC, Stargate, and AI Megaclusters

I don't know how they're doing the networking, but they're using Nvidia spectrum X ethernet. Um, there's actually like, I think, yeah, the unsung heroes are the cooling and electrical systems, which are just like glossed over. Yeah. Um, But I think like one story that maybe is like exemplifies how insane this stuff is, is when you're training, right?