Neil Druckmann

This is a new concept that Craig came up with and I loved. But the horror of it, again, this person, and now we know who this person is. It's the sun that's now frozen here. Until there's nothing left of him, he's just an engine to spew spores out.

This is a new concept that Craig came up with and I loved. But the horror of it, again, this person, and now we know who this person is. It's the sun that's now frozen here. Until there's nothing left of him, he's just an engine to spew spores out.

And animals do it to each other. In our civilized society, we're so protected from how cruel nature can be. The amount of suffering that animals experience, it's staggering in its volume.

And animals do it to each other. In our civilized society, we're so protected from how cruel nature can be. The amount of suffering that animals experience, it's staggering in its volume.

It takes a certain willpower to do what Ellie does at this moment. And Ellie would like to believe she is like Joel. Because Joel is another one of those people that we saw in season one can torture people to meet some kind of ends. And for Joel, it was to save Ellie. For Ellie, it's to find out where Abby is hiding. But is Ellie like Joel? Can she commit this act and just be okay?

It takes a certain willpower to do what Ellie does at this moment. And Ellie would like to believe she is like Joel. Because Joel is another one of those people that we saw in season one can torture people to meet some kind of ends. And for Joel, it was to save Ellie. For Ellie, it's to find out where Abby is hiding. But is Ellie like Joel? Can she commit this act and just be okay?

This is one of the questions that we asked ourselves when we were working on the game and now the show. Is there ever coming back from doing something like this? Or does it change you forever? We're going to explore that.

This is one of the questions that we asked ourselves when we were working on the game and now the show. Is there ever coming back from doing something like this? Or does it change you forever? We're going to explore that.

Just one other thing, which is that we talked about, you know, there's this contradiction in Nora and how she thinks she has the moral ground, how she's just and justifies doing this horrible thing to Joel. And yet she's doing her best to not give up her friend's position because that's her tribe. That's her community.

Just one other thing, which is that we talked about, you know, there's this contradiction in Nora and how she thinks she has the moral ground, how she's just and justifies doing this horrible thing to Joel. And yet she's doing her best to not give up her friend's position because that's her tribe. That's her community.

By the way, also important to note that, you know, episode one, We see this tension between Joel and Ellie. You never see them happy like this. And yet here they are. So what happened?

By the way, also important to note that, you know, episode one, We see this tension between Joel and Ellie. You never see them happy like this. And yet here they are. So what happened?

Till now you know.

Till now you know.

That's a very Craig-ish sort of thing to do. You know, when I was a younger man and I wanted to impress a woman, well, you have to know your strengths and I was kind of shy. I didn't know how to talk to women. It made me nervous. So what I would do is cook for them. And I was good. Good enough to deserve quality tools. But did I have the money for that? No, I did not.

That's a very Craig-ish sort of thing to do. You know, when I was a younger man and I wanted to impress a woman, well, you have to know your strengths and I was kind of shy. I didn't know how to talk to women. It made me nervous. So what I would do is cook for them. And I was good. Good enough to deserve quality tools. But did I have the money for that? No, I did not.

I would go into Williams-Sonoma. It's a cookware store. You wouldn't know.

I would go into Williams-Sonoma. It's a cookware store. You wouldn't know.

Welcome back to the official podcast for the HBO original series, The Last of Us. I'm Troy Baker, and I played Joel in The Last of Us video games. Here with me today, as always, are the series showrunners Neil Druckmann. Hello, Troy. And Craig Mazin.

Welcome back to the official podcast for the HBO original series, The Last of Us. I'm Troy Baker, and I played Joel in The Last of Us video games. Here with me today, as always, are the series showrunners Neil Druckmann. Hello, Troy. And Craig Mazin.