Niall Donald

And I'm saying, you've seen Goodfellas, because this person hadn't seen the play.

And I said, do you think it makes them out to be heroes?

Like it doesn't make out the cast, the characters of Goodfellas.

None of them come out as great guys.

All they come out as is...

you know, rounded human.

I mean, when I mean rounded human beings, I don't mean that they have rounded personalities.

But you see, they do this and there's a motivation and there's, you know, there's a reason why and there's an explanation for how they get involved in this life.

It doesn't excuse them of their actions.

It doesn't say that's okay because he grew up there or it doesn't, you know.

It just presents it.

It presents it, and it presents it in a full picture.

So Henry Hill, for example, you know, he beats up his wife.

It doesn't not show that.

It does not show him being involved in drugs.

And people still say, well, people still probably have said of Goodfellas, well, it glamorises it.

Well, how does it glamorise it?

And the other thing about the argument about the glamour of crime, glamorising crime is...

The glamour associated with crime is really the reason why people are criminals, in my opinion.

It's not the lure of the money.