Niall Donald

But at this time, if you remember, while there had been other incidents, for example, an attempted hit on Gerry Hutch in Lanzarote, those incidents weren't always public.

People were straight away thinking this isn't the type of normal organised crime operation.

They were looking at the weapons saying, is there a paramilitary organisation involved here?

And nobody knew fully.

And of course, people, what people did fear straight away was no matter what, people knew how big and how powerful the Kenyans had become.

And the likelihood of them not striking back was, it was inevitable that blood was going to flow.

If you look at some of the difficulties in putting people like the top end of the Canadian cartel behind bars, there's only really two ways to get them.

One of them is digital communication and the other is people.

And if you don't treat somebody like Joey well, how are you going to convince the next person that they're going to be looked after when we need them to come forward?

No, no, no.

I'm just preparing myself, you know.

Yeah.

Something you don't like to do ahead of podcasts, which is make sure you're actually ready.

I thought you were going into a kind of a goof there.

A little bit of a goof off and on our Talbot Street, all right.

But no, ready for action.

Yeah.

You're going to ask me a question?

No, no.

You're on the questioning side for people who can't.