Niall Donald

I think he needs a holiday, guys.

Okay, because we are speaking about The Witness and Joey O'Callaghan and Brian Kenny.

And we had a story over the weekend about how Brian Kenny was getting temporary release.

I think this one is different because it's unaccompanied, isn't it?

There was certainly something very similar.

But it was a very... Jonathan O'Reilly, he'd just left the prison, hadn't he?

Yeah.

And he was shot dead at...

by two guys on a motorbike.

That's it.

And there was something similar done in No Fate.

And Brian Kenny was like a very, very much older man.

I mean, this wasn't a couple of teenagers or a guy a couple of years older.

I mean, Brian Kenny was a well-established sort of criminal.

But also like, is it a huge age difference?

And it was one of the first, I mean, it wasn't the first, but it was one of the first people to do that, really, wasn't it?

And also because he wasn't as heavily implicated in criminality as some of the other people that had come forward, like some of the people involved with John Gilligan.

Joey O'Callaghan was...

because he was able to sort of tell how he'd become sucked into it, really.

Yeah, because his skills had really been...