Niall Donald

the only skills he developed were the ones that Brian Kenny had given him.

And then the state pick him up and make him a witness or, you know, help him be a witness.

And then they sort of throw him into the world with anything else.

Inevitably.

So that's the way it is in Ireland.

The clocks are ticking.

The moment is coming when they're coming out.

Now, Brian Kenny is obviously a lot older.

And we've talked about this sometimes.

They're obviously guys that are maybe born into families.

By the time they're 18 or 19, this is the only world they know.

And they go on to become involved in gangland crime.

And that's probably the majority of them.

But there's also these other strange characters who almost seek out that world.

And they tend to be quite sociopathic, really.

I mean, another example of that would be Dutchie Holland, for example.

And some of these guys only become involved in crime slightly later in life.

And it's like they go to every route to become involved in this world.

I mean, Dutchie Holland was the same.

He came from quite a respectable background.