Niall Donald

If you look at some of the difficulties in putting people like the top end of the Canadian cartel behind bars, these are people who are never going to be in the presence of drugs or guns.

So there's only really two ways to get them.

One of them is digital communication and the other is...

people.

And if you don't treat somebody like Joey well, how are you going to convince the next person that they're going to be looked after when we need them to come forward?

And of course, we do ask people to come forward all the time.

And he did speak about some of that to us over the weekend, Joey did, just about the...

you know, the long-term effects even of being on medication for so long.

You spoke, I think, about getting arthritis.

Yeah.

You know, just that there's this kind of constant knock-on effect in his life.

It's not just that it's...

It's in the past.

It's not something that can be just relegated and said that's in the past.

So this is a contradiction of him, isn't it?

So where at one stage he's maybe...

re-experiencing the trauma of all this and Brian Kenny is getting released and all of that is being brought up in another way like he's become like almost an icon and you know his story has been so strong it's going to be given the Hollywood treatment.

And look, you know, these guys, and we know this well, they often don't mind being predicted as big, bad, dangerous drug dealers.

Brian Kenny is not just being predicted,

So what is the story with the film?