Niall Donald

There's no doubt about that.

But the knowledge tends to come from what they know has happened to people

in the past, do you know?

Like, they're not sitting down studying the law books, neither are we.

They know the cases that they've read and what got people in trouble or what it didn't.

Now, another guy who really gets in a lot of trouble for something, Michael Crotty, something that he may never have expected to have done.

So, so far we've spoken about Declan Brady, about Martin Aylmer of being convicted.

A third man convicted is a guy called Michael Crotty.

Tell us what we know about him.

Because it's obviously clearly not legal to buy credit for anybody, right?

But as you said, this is happening in December and Sean McGovern has been in every national newspaper regularly over the last few months as a key member of the Kenyan cartel.

He's named when he shot the Regency.

He's pictured at the funeral and named in nearly all the papers.

So somebody is going to know

you know, that you're dealing with a gangster.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

And how would he?

How would he?

Exactly.