Niall Donald

It is pretty scary, yeah.

Well, since I'm very boring and do nothing, I'll be okay.

It's you that has to worry more.

Well, I'm pretty... I don't need AI to predict my movements.

Thanks, Nicola.

I think he's the most interesting of all the gangland criminals, really, if you see where he's come from and where he's ended up and how he's managed to navigate through all of those eras of organized crime.

An incredible story.

If he was involved in another arena of life, he'd be regarded as a kind of heroic businessman.

But of course he's not.

He's involved in a murderous cartel.

But an incredible story.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's very interesting, the heroin addict.

And maybe we'll come back to that.

That would have been a good job, a well-earning job, certainly taxis back in the day when taxis were protected.

His father was also at some point registered or I think as a dairy farm manager.

And also people would say he was involved in kind of street trading, not, you know,

as a lot of people in Dublin would have been over the years, involved in some stalls and selling in that sort of arena.

So, Christie Kinnan is raised in Cabra, but his birth certificate says that he was born in England, in a place called Perryvale, near Ealing, I think, in London.

So this is the late 1950s when, at that time in Irish history, we were, you know, there was high unemployment.

A huge number of people left Ireland to go to England at times to get work.