Niall Donald

I mean, that part of it, undoubtedly.

I mean, like if you're a life sentence prisoner, they tend to give you your own cell, don't they?

I mean, that's kind of... I don't know if that's a rule or it's just convention.

But I mean, a lot of the guys...

Are they in bunk beds, is it?

So you could have three people in a cell that at least... Would be designed for one.

Really, yeah.

And so when you go in, the cells are off, there's a kind of a guard station, is there?

And then the cells are, is it like, does it look like that?

Is there a corridor and things like that?

Yeah, yeah.

And so in terms of the seizures or drugs, obviously one thing that we have covered is the risk posed by opiate substitutes, I suppose.

Nitrazine is, I think, one of them.

And that led to a very serious medical issue in, I think it was Port Leach last year, where I think it was 11 people got taken to hospital.

That is something that they're deeply concerned about, isn't it?

Just a bit of psychosis, I suppose, brought on by the drugs.

Now, obviously, the drugs are the main thing that comes in, but the phones remain something of real importance to the prisoners, for obvious reasons, for...

a more benign reason that they want to keep in touch with family and friends or, you know, a more sinister reason that they want to keep in touch with criminal associates or arrange criminal acts.

So there's still a large number of these fob phones.

Yeah.